Just want to take a moment to say…
Thank you, moderators. Sincerely.
this post was submitted on 17 Nov 2023
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There is one complaint that I have about the mods across Lemmy, they seem to be hesitant to crack down on trolling. This has, in turn, made trolling easy thanks to the audience Lemmy attracted. Love the mods here, but when someone calls out a troll, maybe don’t remove the comment calling out the troll and leave the troll alone to continue trolling. Your contribution is actively negative if you do this.
Defining "trolling" is complex.
People have unpopular opinions that they vehemently defend.. it's not always bait or just being an asshole for the fun of it.
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Rebecca Watson had a nice breakdown of how Wikipedia avoided this:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U9lGAf91HNA
Basically they nipped that shit in the bud and didn't allow it to take root and the Nazis gave up. The ol' anecdote of kicking the polite Nazi out of the bar so it does not become a Nazi bar holds up.
Here is an alternative Piped link(s):
https://www.piped.video/watch?v=U9lGAf91HNA
Piped is a privacy-respecting open-source alternative frontend to YouTube.
I'm open-source; check me out at GitHub.
Anyone know if it is possible to get the Piped link in the NewPipe app? I only get the YouTube link when I hit Share.
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The only time that a corporation will take action is when it impacts profits.
If the NAZIs drive more profits than they lose, they will stay. It's as simple as that.
Any corporate social conscience is just a show. Post some rainbows and say that shutting down NAZI is too difficult, but don't do anything that might reduce the profits that the hate controversies create.
Non-profit platforms like Lemmy can do what is right vs what is profitable
Most advertisers don't really want their ads to be shown alongside Nazi content. One thing users can do is to send the advertisers' PR contacts a screenshot of their ad beside someone calling for racial holy war. "Hey, I'm not buying your beans any more because you advertise on Nazi shit" is a pretty clear message.
Anyone that spent a lot of time on the better subreddits knew that already.
edit: I forgot to add - this is probably why Huffman did what he did on reddit - they know it's perfectly possible to properly mod online communities... they don't want them properly modded.
Any community that welcomes bigots is truly welcoming only to bigots.
Any civility rule that is enforced with greater priority than (or in the absence of) a "no bigotry" rule serves only to protect bigots from decent people.
Bigots already have too many places where they are welcome and protected. I'm glad that lemmy (with the exception of certain instances that are largely defederated) has not fallen into the trap that defines too much of social media.
Any civility rule that is enforced with greater priority than (or in the absence of) a “no bigotry” rule serves only to protect bigots from decent people.
There's a saying I think about a lot that goes "The problem with rules is that good people don't need 'em, and bad people will find a way around 'em".
The best thing about human volunteer mods vs automated tools or paid "trust and safety" teams, IMO, is that volunteer humans can better identify when someone is participating in the spirit of a community, because the mods themselves are usually members of the community too.
Easy my ass. It takes an insane amount of man hours to moderate large platforms.
The key word here is "large". From the article:
"[Fediverse] instances don’t generally have any unwanted guests because there’s zero incentive to grow beyond an ability to self-moderate. If an instance were to become known for hosting Nazis —either via malice or an incompetent owner— other more responsible instances would simply de-federate (cut themselves off) from the Nazi instance until they got their shit together. Problem solved, no 'trust and safety' required"
we have more mods per capita that the corpo hellsites and we don't even have venture capital money funding us
Corporations don’t aggressively moderate and ban Nazis on their platforms because it would measurably negative affect their MAU stats, which is one of the primary metrics social media corps report on how “good” (read: profitable) their social network platform is.
Meta et al. will NEVER intentionally remove users that push engagement numbers up (regardless of how or what topics are being engaged) unless:
- they determine it’s more profitable/less harmful to their business to do so
- they are forced to by a court order
Which is another way the fediverse is better: The success metric is a vibrant, happy community, not MAUs or engagement numbers, so they make decisions accordingly.
Not to mention that because the fediverse doesn't require the collection of analytics it is less expensive to run. Most of the servers at Facebook are used to gather, sift, and deliver usage metrics. Actually serving content is a cheap and largely solved problem.
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There's plenty of Nazis in the Fediverse, just not on any instances your instances are federated with.
Exactly. It was easy to partition them off.
In my potlucks’ favor though basically everyone who attends them is a member of a group targeted by Nazis.
I'm so sorry to all the thoughtless Fanboys out here, but this is such a disingenuous fluff piece it doesn't even deserve discussion
I think its a numbers game. If fediverse had the numbers it would be plagued with all the same issues. But its a little fish in a big pond.
If a Fediverse instance grew so big that it couldn't moderate itself and had a lot of spam/Nazis, presumably other instances would just defederate, yeah? Unless an instance is ad-supported, what's the incentive to grow beyond one's ability to stay under control?
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Those already in economic power have gained enough means to manipulate the rules and Fascism is more profitable for people already in power than even 'normal' capitalism is. This was basically preordained for as long as profit uber alles.
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