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TL;DR at the bottom.

I started getting into torrents about 2 years ago, at the time I started out with downloading YIFY rips and x265 RARBG encodes. I didn't care about the quality at the time, I was just happy to get movies. But I also wanted stuff like Special Features, and while Tigole and the QxR team occasionally added them for some of their movies, it felt like something was missing.

Eventually I grew dissatisfied with encodes, and wanted to watch movies in the highest quality possible. I would have downloaded BDMVs, but no one seemed to be seeding them, or in the case of less-mainstream/obscure movies, they weren't on public trackers at all. (I tried downloading REMUXes from FGT, but they always replaced the PGS subtitles with UTF text subtitles, which I didn't appreciate.) So in early 2022 I bought myself a Blu-ray optical drive, set up MakeMKV, and bought the Blu-ray of the movie I wanted to rip. After that, I bought some more BDs to rip, and I started making my own REMUXes. Some time after that, I flashed my drive with the LibreDrive firmware so I could rip my 4K UHD discs too.

So anyway, my point is that the arguments that piracy is "bad for business" and causes companies to "lose money" are full of hot air. If anything, piracy is good for them and increases sales. There have been numerous occasions where I have wanted to download a REMUX and there were no seeders, and decided it would be easier for me to buy the disc and rip it myself.

So, the main takeaways are:

  1. Piracy isn't nearly as bad as the authorities say it is, and may actually increase sales.
  2. Create good-quality encodes.
  3. Seed all your torrents.

TL;DR: Started buying and ripping my own Blu-rays due to dissatisfaction with low-quality encodes and lack of seeders.

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[–] negativenull@negativenull.com 203 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (3 children)

As Gabe Newell once said:

Piracy is an issue of service, not price

[–] neograymatter@lemmy.ca 78 points 2 years ago (3 children)

Yep. The video entertainment industry had a great solution to piracy in Netflix and it had moved piracy out of the mainstream... Then companies got competitive and content became fractured across a multitude of platforms.

[–] WarmSoda@lemm.ee 38 points 2 years ago (1 children)

"now that we finally solved one of the hardest problems we've ever faced, let scrap the solution!"

[–] empireOfLove@lemmy.one 46 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (3 children)

No, it's actually:
"Now that we've gotten everyone locked into one service, let's squeeze them for every single cent we can until they pop!"

It's literally capitalsim's job and it will never change.

[–] neograymatter@lemmy.ca 24 points 2 years ago (1 children)

I would have continued to pay a steadily increasing price for Netflix if they kept being a "one stop shop" for content.
I was very annoyed when they dropped Mythbusters and Dr Who halfway through me watching them, and then loosing all the Disney movies was just a nail in the coffin.
Even if it cost less, I could not be bothered to maintain multiple subscriptions/accounts/passwords for the content I want.

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[–] WarmSoda@lemm.ee 7 points 2 years ago

Yeah that's definitely more accurate. That's the step 3 everyone's always missing in those 1 2 3? 4 profit! things.

[–] Daisyifyoudo@lemmy.world 21 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (2 children)

Then companies got competitive

You spelled greedy wrong

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[–] thepianistfroggollum 16 points 2 years ago

And companies just don't seem to get it. They saw Netflix boom in popularity and said, "Hey, I wanna do that," without realizing that having all your content in one platform was what made it so successful.

[–] JokeDeity@lemm.ee 4 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

Ehhhhh, sorta'. I've spent WAY more money thanks to Steam than I would have without it, but I'm still buying everything on sale and cheaper than anyone I know with a console. I think price is still a bit part of the equation for me. Some games that refuse to ever have a decent sale are making me consider the high seas again as they stagnate on my waitlist.

[–] u_die_for_elmer@lemm.ee 40 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Same for music for me. Only difference now, I get to choose where my money goes. Instead of some streaming company giving next to nothing to the bands I listen to and everything else going to some super popular stuff I don't enjoy.

[–] Sentinian@lemmy.one 9 points 2 years ago

Yeah, I've spent more money on smaller bands through Bandcamp then I ever have on streaming services, all thanks to piracy, since I realized it's much better for offline files.

[–] Bonehead@kbin.social 35 points 2 years ago (1 children)

So...you're going to post torrents and seed all those movies...right?

[–] Tippon@lemmy.world 26 points 2 years ago (1 children)

You do realise that you're saying that piracy didn't work for you, so you went out and spent your money instead, yeah?

[–] TheImpressiveX@lemmy.ml 20 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Not saying it didn't work, in fact I still download encodes. But for stuff I really like, I buy the physical versions.

[–] Pulp@lemmy.dbzer0.com 10 points 2 years ago (1 children)
[–] TheImpressiveX@lemmy.ml 9 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (7 children)

I've been trying to find a place where I can safely do so, but I don't want to risk getting in legal trouble.

EDIT: Typo.

[–] Pulp@lemmy.dbzer0.com 9 points 2 years ago

Some private tracker. Just be careful, and maybe don't upload things there are already remuxes of

[–] Appoxo@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 points 2 years ago

As @Pulp mentioned: Upload to private trackers.

I may or may not have uploaded some music cds I imported from overseas to private trackers.

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[–] prettytrucknutz@lemmy.dbzer0.com 21 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Same here. YIFY torrents were just a gateway drug to 4k HDR blurays.

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[–] sin_free_for_00_days@sopuli.xyz 16 points 2 years ago (1 children)

That was shown in the early days of Metallica's (fuck Metallica, btw) bullshit with Napster. The music fans were downloading music, as well as buying music, more.

[–] Morgikan@lemm.ee 18 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Fucking Lars. Metallica just did not get it and attacked their fans. Nobody had a problem paying for the music, they just wanted to be able to download it. They didn't want a CD they wanted an MP3.

[–] sin_free_for_00_days@sopuli.xyz 18 points 2 years ago (1 children)

I was a huge Metallica fan. Saw them for both Ride the Lightning and Justice when they toured. Most of us got into them by pirating (ie, copying album->tape or tape->tape for/from friends). I spent more on their tickets and concert tees than I would have buying their albums. But after Lars and that Napster shit, I just figured they were dead to me. Haven't listened to them since.

[–] Morgikan@lemm.ee 12 points 2 years ago

Oh man, you brought up a really good point. There's the albums, and then there's the merch. Metallica junkies would have like 20 band shirts and so much Metallica swag all over their places. Those guys would drop thousands of dollars. They lived for that music. When Lars came out and was basically "it's about the money" so many fans stopped caring about the music. When they stopped caring about the music they stopped buying the merch.

[–] m_f@midwest.social 16 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Are there any good services like bandcamp, but for video? Even if it doesn't have blockbuster/popular movies I'd be interested. I spend a lot of money on bandcamp because it's easy and simple: I give them money and in return get bits that I do what I want with.

[–] TheImpressiveX@lemmy.ml 19 points 2 years ago (2 children)

If you're looking for DRM-free digital distribution, the best I can think of is Vimeo on Demand. You pay one-time for a movie, and in return you get the option to download the movie as a MP4. There's mainly arthouse films and documentaries, but you may be able to find a few gems.

[–] m_f@midwest.social 6 points 2 years ago

Thanks! That's the sort of thing I'm looking for

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[–] WaterCanMarketing@lemm.ee 15 points 2 years ago (2 children)

Various studies showed the same over the last 20-25 years. Pirating does increase revenue for companies and articles torrented.

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[–] Nimous@lemmy.dbzer0.com 13 points 2 years ago

The problem is you're obsessed with movies to do such things. Just download 1080 and watch it on your tv or mobile and that's it, you watched a movie. And if you're willing to help the community, encode, seed, distribute and that's enough.

[–] rm_dash_r_star@lemm.ee 11 points 2 years ago

I've ripped a good number of blu-rays to network storage. If you're looking for older, less popular stuff it's the best option. And older releases are usually just a few bucks. The new stuff I torrent because I can usually find a decent rip, but for stuff I want to put in my library a rip from optical disk is the best, but not free of course. You can even do it for free, public libraries often have a good collection of older releases on optical disk.

[–] Nawor3565@lemmy.blahaj.zone 10 points 2 years ago (4 children)

Same idea with video games. There are many game franchises that I never would have gotten into as a kid if I hadn't been able to pirate them. I usually still pirate games to try them out, and if I end up enjoying it or want features like online play, I might buy it during a Steam sale.

[–] milkytoast@kbin.social 6 points 2 years ago

me too, but usually only with indie games, because triple a studios can go fuck themselves. but like Stardew valley costs $6, imma buy it

Command & Conquer was like that for me. I pirated Red Alert 2, but ended up buying it like six times via various collections. None of that would have happened had I not had that first pirated copy.

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[–] 1984@lemmy.today 9 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (2 children)

I read an article about this many years ago. They had found that pirated games can increase sales:

https://arstechnica.com/gaming/2017/09/eu-study-finds-piracy-doesnt-hurt-game-sales-may-actually-help/

[–] CMDR_Horn@lemmy.ml 5 points 2 years ago (2 children)

2017 is many years…I’m old

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[–] bighatchester@lemmy.world 4 points 2 years ago

Most of the movies I have pirated I have seen in theaters at some point or can't be easily watched in my country. I have cancelled most of my streaming services because most of them don't have content that I watch enough to justify paying monthly for .

[–] HurlingDurling@lemm.ee 9 points 2 years ago

My local wall-mart has a large number of older blockbusters on their bargain bin. Got all 3 John Wicks for $15 total, and then directly ripped them into my server

[–] satanmat@lemmy.world 8 points 2 years ago

Yep.

I’m a fan of a certain sport, and they didn’t have a reasonable way of making it available on demand… so I sailed the seas. But lo and behold once an app was available, I was happy to pay as I’m no longer having to wait.

Someone smarter than I said. The largest part of piracy is a delivery issue. Make thing’s available and people will pay for them.

[–] Eggyhead@kbin.social 8 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

I wouldn't be the faithful Final Fantasy patron I am today had it not been for a ROM of FF VI my old room mate put on my computer back in college. Now I own nearly ALLLLL of them (the ones available on modern platforms). I've also started investing in the Trails series for a similar reason and I don't regret it.

[–] thepianistfroggollum 7 points 2 years ago

Every video game I've ever pirated and played for more than 30m I now legitimately own.

[–] Spacegrass@artemis.camp 6 points 2 years ago

Avid reader here, and I sometimes browse books on pirate bay. When I find one I like I download the ebook and if I read it I also buy a print edition. Not everyone does that, of course, but in my case piracy generates sales.

[–] thorbot@lemmy.world 5 points 2 years ago

This happened to me too. I download movies and shows onto my plex and watch them at my leisure. If I love a show or movie I get the Blu-ray and watch it in 4K/atmos! It’s nice being able to sample things before buying.

[–] Metaright@kbin.social 5 points 2 years ago

I suspect your story is not unusual. Piracy is, at worst, a morally neutral action.

[–] OrganicLife@reddthat.com 4 points 2 years ago (8 children)

I started pirating around 2000. Early days of bittorrent, before that Napster and others. Maybe I'm out of touch and/or old. But YT premium/music has be very convenient and cost effective for me. As far as movies, paying for a couple of streaming services is way easier than delving through scummy torrent sites waiting for movies to download.

I'm fairly tech savvy but I've been off the high seas for awhile. If anyone knows a way to get movies/music with the same ease of use as the paid stuff I'd love to know about it.

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[–] onichama@feddit.de 4 points 2 years ago

So much this. Watched so many anime for free that I ended up spending a bunch of money on figurines, mangas and other merchandise!

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