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[–] [email protected] 140 points 1 year ago (2 children)

TFA: Greta Thunberg and four co-defendants have been found not guilty of breaking the law when they refused to follow police instructions to move on during a climate protest.

District Judge John Laws threw out a public order charge due to "no evidence" and added police attempted to impose "unlawful" conditions during a protest.

[–] [email protected] 58 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Oh so they're like to charge the cops for trying to impose unlawful conditions right? right?

[–] [email protected] 34 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (3 children)

I hate the cops as much as everyone but thats not what the ruling says at all.

The case was thrown out not because the cope were doing anything illegal, but because their instructions to the protestors were so unclear they couldn't be considered a lawful order.

As well as the fact that the incompetent cops didn't take statements from anyone so there's no evidence to prove they violated section 14.

Honestly part of me suspects the cops might have did it on purpose because they were ordered to stop it but didn't really want to. But that's probably giving them too much credit honestly, incompetence is the most likely answer.

[–] [email protected] 15 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

oopsy woopsy we made a little fucky boingo that dragged you through the criminal justice system through no fault of your own and at no cost to us, all because of an unknown mix of malice and incompetence

oh well 🤷

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Well there is a law that they were in theory breaking.

A shitty authoritarian law, but still a law.

And the whole point of the criminal justice system is to interpret cases like these and interpret the law and decide if someone is culpable. This is what happens when you have a properly separated system where cops are not judge joury and executioner, so while cops need to have some understanding of the law, its not their job to make those finer interpretations when cases could or could not be illegal. It might seem dumb in this case, but if cops have that power it would allow them to selectively enforce the law and you would have them saying "oh I didn't arrest the rapist because of this [nonexistent] technicality that makes it not a crime"

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

your argument is that the police need to be allowed to act with as much malice or incompetence as they like because if there was more oversight in the system they could choose to not arrest rapists?

you're saying that more oversight would lead to the police having more freedom to enforce the law as they see fit?

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

No. And I would rather you didn't purposefully misinterpret what am saying for the sake of trying to "win" a pointless internet argument like a redditor would.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

you're the one attempting to reframe "there should be more oversight on the police's actions" as "the police should be granted more power to interpret the law as they see fit"

[–] [email protected] 12 points 1 year ago

the cops might have did it on purpose because they were ordered to stop it

Yep.

The UK gvmt have been increasingly cracking down on the right to protest. For example, during the proclamation of Charles coronation (royal officers go to towns and read an official proclamation out loud) a man who said (direct quote) "Not in my name" was arrested on a public order offence and dragged through the system until the CPS said they weren't going to take it any further.

At every turn the current Tory gvmt have urged the Police to be heavy handed with public order 'offences' and sort it out later.

[–] [email protected] 17 points 1 year ago

acab

acab

acab

[–] [email protected] 31 points 1 year ago

That's a legal way to say

Greta Thunberg: Case thrown because of 'bull shit argument made up by a stupid policeman'

[–] [email protected] 29 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children)

District Judge John Laws...

Another case of nominative determinism at work?

[–] [email protected] 14 points 1 year ago (1 children)

john was born for this job.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago

I know a Simon Banks who works in a bank. Go figure

[–] [email protected] 29 points 1 year ago

I had no idea what charge this was referring to. Here's the important bit from the article:

Greta Thunberg and four co-defendants have been found not guilty of breaking the law when they refused to follow police instructions to move on during a climate protest.

[–] [email protected] 24 points 1 year ago

The 21-year-old campaigner

It seems like she was just twelve or something yesterday. Damn, time slips by.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 year ago

I mean there were few options for a guy named “John Law” other to become a judge right?

[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 year ago

Good work Greta!

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 year ago

Hah, get fucked polluters.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 year ago (1 children)

That...doesn't look like Greta at all. Oof, what happened to her? She used to look better

[–] [email protected] 14 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Absolute wild comment to make about someone who looks like a normal 21 year old

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 year ago (1 children)

There was a pedo-sexualization harassment campaign aimed at her when she was younger. Any reddit post mentioning her would get flooded with posts suggesting a desire to rape her. It was really ugly, and this feels like the tail end of that.

Source: moderate r/climate and c/climate

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

Hi there! Looks like you linked to a Lemmy community using a URL instead of its name, which doesn't work well for people on different instances. Try fixing it like this: [email protected]

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 year ago

Public execution for any cunt cops overstepping the law.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

Keep making them roll that dice