Timers? In this economy?
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To shreds, you say?
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The only flaw being, if one is a dud, or if the Kazon somehow manage to disable one in time, now you've given the Kazon extremely advanced weaponry and altered the balance of power in that part of space
then put multiple tricobalt devices on there. dozens. however many it takes until there's enough to satisfy your silly theoretical "what ifs"
but, remember: when the Kazon got their hands on replicator tech, the worst they ended up doing is turning themselves inside-out and half-fused with metal. I'm not too worried about what would happen if they got half-exploded Caretaker tech. They'd prbably turn themselves into a folksy barbeque.
Hindsight is a powerful tool left to those who cant use it.
Which is to say, Janeway the slayer had no idea how ineffective Berman would make the Kazon, so she acted in a selfless way.
If she knew how sparse coffee would be and how "Borgish" it would get, I wouldn't be surprised if she did take the chance.
Two questions, how much coffee is there and how many tuvixs do we get to space down this Janeway?
and altered the balance of power in that part of space
So the Kazon end up going up against the Borg?
I'm not seeing a downside here...
In-universe reason: Couldn't risk the Kazon destroying the tricobalt devices before they destroyed the array.
Real reason: Had to find a way to strand Voyager in the Delta Quadrant.
In-universe reason: Couldn’t risk the Kazon destroying the tricobalt devices before they destroyed the array.
no matter what, there are always very easy, simple ways around any “what if” theoretical scenarios people often present when arguing about this episode’s major flaw. timing the tricobalt devices to X femtoseconds after the Voyager is sent back. Arming hundreds or thousands of devices so the Kazon couldn’t possibly disarm them all in time. Both. There is not possibility that the Voyager crew couldn’t have - very easily - both ensured the destruction of the Caretaker’s array while simultaneously gotten themselves home. Janeway simply overreacted and/or acted before thinking things though and fucked her whole crew rather than benefitting from, perhaps, 5-15 seconds of planning— which she definitely had. I know, *because I figured it out, in real time, while watching the episode while it aired. As a 16-year old in the feeble 20th century, outthinking a 24th-century Starfleet captain, I was pretty disappointed in this new show, I must admit...
Wasn't there some line about how the array needed several more hours to charge up before it could be used to send a ship back, and the Kazon would have taken it by then?
no, just that it would be “complicated.” There was nothing really preventing them from either using the array to get home nor from taking steps to prevent the Kazon from taking control of it once they left. This absurd plot hole is, really, the result of lazy writing, and would have been pretty easy to fix with little effort.
I went and checked, Tuvok specifically says it'll take several hours before they can send Voyager home (though not specifically that it needed to charge). Here's the exact line:
TUVOK: Captain, I can access the system to send us back to Federation space, but it will take several hours to activate.
They'd have to prevent the Kazon from damaging or taking over the array for quite some time before they could leave. I can understand why Janeway would make the call she did, given the risk of attempting that, but also can see why she would be tortured by the what if...
I don’t remember it this way, but even if tuvok did say this, they simply could have waited. and don’t give me any “what ifs”, because that’s just moving the goal posts without any new information. you don’t know, and I’m not going to entertain any imaginings of the worst just to you win an argument. without new information, “we don’t know” is how this will have to end.