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[–] [email protected] 87 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (5 children)

Fallout: The solution for the energy crisis is being held back by higher ups for pRoFiTs. WW3 goes hot. Everything gets nuked.

Horizon Zero Dawn: Dumbass techbro is responsible for killing everything on the planet down to the last microbe. Continues with a cultural genocide by deleting all of recorded history in the bunkers. Because he can and he is a dumbass.

Bioshock: A super capitalists wet dream goes plopp. Killing a shit ton of innocent people. (Possibly starting a nuclear war)

Oddworld: Unhinged capitalism destroying nature and enslaving the worlds inhabitants.

Cookie Clicker: Monopoly on cookies turn the whole universe (and possibly every other universe) into cookie matter. Everybody plays along because cookies taste nice.

Please tell me more about how politics in video games ruin video games.

Edit Bonusround:

Factorio: Uncaring, industrial alien crash lands on planet. Starts terraforming it, plunders its resources, poisons its earth, water and sky. Slaughters every kind of resistance from the planets natives.

[–] [email protected] 38 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Morrowind: Several factions competing for power try and use the player as a way to get on top without getting their own hands dirty. Half the main quest line is running around doing mundane stuff that has less to do with proving you're a chosen one and more to do with proving you're a good little bootlicker who won't disrupt the status quo when they hand you the glove of god slapping.

[–] [email protected] 18 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Or... You do a shit-ton of skooma and mushroom juice, suplex Vivec's harlequin ass and fight Dagoth-Ur buck naked, screaming like a banshee and then break all his toys with that hammer that burns when you hold it.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 year ago

Thank you for convincing me to replay Morrowind!

[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Skyrim: fascist faction backed or controlled up by xenophobic elves battles a fascist faction of xenophobic humans for ruling the northern part of the world. A viking-like dragon/warrior comes up and fixes everything by yelling louder than anyone else.

[–] [email protected] 30 points 1 year ago

Oddworld: Unhinged capitalism destroying nature and enslaving the worlds inhabitants.

"What do you mean the unhinged capitalist caricatures are making fun of capitalism's drive for profit leading to self-cannibalizing processes??"

For some people, even 'unsubtle' isn't enough.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 year ago

Fallout goes way further than that.

At every single opportunity, Bourgeoisie are depicted as monstrously evil. Even their most competent, Mr. House, is an unfeeling sociopath who begins the game as a failure for you to clean up after. Every pre-war corporation is disgustingly evil, and nearly every post-war Capitalist is also a monster.

The games also favorably depict Socialist constructs, like the Syndicalist Gun Runners, the Anarcho-Communist Followers of the Apocalypse, and more.

It's not even close to subtle about its messaging, yet chuds still think it's a right-wing game because it satirist the Red Scare, but they take it as straight messaging.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 year ago (4 children)

Halo: religious aliens ruin humanity's fun as they kill each other.

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[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Universal Paperclips: dumb AI wipes out humanity with mindcontrol marketing so it can turn the universe into paperclips.

[–] [email protected] 25 points 1 year ago (3 children)

Jokes on you, inmay favorite Final Fantasy you're a mercenary trying to prevent an evil witch from the future from destroying time itself.

[–] [email protected] 11 points 1 year ago (6 children)

I really like the idea of FF8, but the junctioning and level scaling systems need overhauls.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children)

Sphere Grid was absolutely broken and I loved it. I stole a ton of Key Spheres from Biran and Yenke, and unlocked Demi for everyone in the party, cause I also had stockpiled Warp Spheres. The entire party became magic users at that point

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[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children)

Jokes on you, in my favourite Final Fantasy, you're a dream, trying to stop your dad from killing your hyper religious, brainwashed girlfriend who needs to dance whenever dad commits genocide.

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[–] [email protected] 17 points 1 year ago (1 children)

You're literally terrorists.

[–] [email protected] 32 points 1 year ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 28 points 1 year ago

The description from the wiki is so good.

Avalanche [note 1] is an organization in the Final Fantasy VII universe. It is an eco-terrorist insurgent group seeking to save the planet from the misuse of mako energy and opposing the actions of the Shinra Electric Power Company.

[–] [email protected] 15 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Some people have no media literacy, especially when it comes to media they consume for fun.

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[–] [email protected] 13 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Is this what actually happens in FF7? I stoped playing jrpgs after the snes/genesis era.

[–] [email protected] 29 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Yeah more or less. You're a radical earth preservation group blowing up what are essentially nuclear reactors. You dress in drag for one level to sneak into a mob boss' HQ, and you have a casino's fursona as an optional character. Social justice, preservation of the earth, and how corporations and the military exploit people are explicit themes.

There is also sword fights on motorcycles, skiing, and aliens.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Never seen a mascot described as a "fursona" before

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 year ago

LMAO yeah I was just about to say… casinos don’t usually have “fursonas”

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[–] [email protected] 16 points 1 year ago

Some points are overemphasized (there's only one drag scene, and how furry the furry party member is is debatable, as seen with other commenters here), but it's basically true. You play as a multiethnic group of ecoterrorists seeking to overthrow an evil worldwide corporation sucking the world dry in the name of profit.

[–] [email protected] 13 points 1 year ago (4 children)

Thing is: People used to just do this kind of stuff, thus normalizing it. These days, every fucking marketing department will drum up all the "hype" it can muster because LoOk At Us AnD hOw PrOgReSsIvE wE aRe! We DaRe To ShOw WhAt ShOuLd Be JuSt NoRmAl PeOpLe! We EvEn HaVe OnE oF tHeM hOmOsExUaLs AnD a WoMaN!

Yeah, congrats. I'm not complaining that we get female lead roles or homosexual romances or trans people or anything. I'm complaining that having those becomes the sole talking point about whatever medium they are in, and I'm complaining that while boasting how things have female leading roles, those female leading roles are written exactly like the dumbest male leading roles but with a woman portraying it. Think about it. The equivalent to Rey in Star Wars would be something along the lines of Silvester Stallone wielding 2 M-60-Machine guns while simultaneously mowing down nondescript Asian people in a nondescript and defintely not Vietnamese Jungle... Can I have lead female roles where the women are granted the right to be real fucking people for once?! You know... like women in real life who - and this has been scientifically proven - are real people?!

[–] [email protected] 44 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children)

People absolutely did not used to do this sort of thing, the vast majority of video games were made by and for men and boys, starring men and boys. Just a completely delusional take on the history of video games.

They're trying to market games to additional groups now, it isn't just about you anymore, and that's what annoys you so much. You essentially admitted it in this post. So sick of reading these tantrums constantly

Oh no, women get to have unrealistic power fantasies now too? How horrible. Just a hint, but there was never anything realistic about god damn Rambo. Get a grip and grow tf up already.

[–] [email protected] 13 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Not OP, but as a man, I'd also love some more realistic portrayal of men, not always super hero dudes who can't show real emotion or "weakness" (aka vulnerability). While I love a good power fantasy, not every man in every movie has to be like that.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 year ago

The problem is, that in movie, the women stronk archetype is toxic masculinity in a female package. I dislike the whole toxic masculinity because it is bland, boring and just overall not good for anyone. For example, Scully in The X Files is a strong female character without having to be demeaning, overpowered and just a plain twat. The problem is, and was, that certain things get crammed in your face and you are supposed to like it because otherwise you are INSERT_BAD_THING.

Anyone can be anything, but what if we treat people like people. Everyone is different. Labels are great for trying to understand each other but lately it has become very much a black and white kind of thing. For or against. If we can try to at least try to understand each others point of view, maybe the world can become less polarized.

[–] [email protected] 21 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I mean, I remember the PS1 era. Drag and somewhat-fleshed-out female characters and anticapitalism weren't exactly high on the list of common occurrences in games. It wasn't 'just done', the Final Fantasy series from 6 onward were outliers (or trailblazers, if you prefer), and highly praised for presenting comparatively full and varied worlds.

I feel you about tokenism being shit, but the situation nowadays is... not a step back from how it used to be. It used to be much worse.

[–] [email protected] 13 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

Shit... Did I romanticize the past? Fuck... I'm getting old. You are right about that... That's how it begins, innit? Next, I'll start sentences with "back in my day".... Oh dear... Why do I feel the need to buy a useless sports car?

[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 year ago

Kids today! Get off my damn lawn!

[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 year ago

How dare people fantasize in my space fantasy!!!!

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[–] [email protected] 13 points 1 year ago (1 children)

... That's not how Final Fantasy IX happened at all...

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 year ago (3 children)

Definitely the best FF PS game.

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[–] [email protected] 10 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Jokes on you, in my favorit final fantasy game you fight the remnants of an old post scarcity society that made a small upsido that nearly destroyed all life in the universe.

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[–] [email protected] 9 points 1 year ago

My favorite FF is a hallucination after you get stabbed with magic because you tried to overthrow the government. But it has a children's card game!

[–] [email protected] 9 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children)

... now if only you left off Final Fantasy and Shinra...

This could be so many JRPGs. Including other Final Fantasies... 6 is damn close too. And the superior of all the Final Fantasies...

6, 9, 13-2. Fight me.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (8 children)

9, 6, 10.

Everything after X-2 is an abomination and I refuse to acknowledge it is even the same franchise.

I will fite you

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[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 year ago

That's weird cause what I remember is a lot of dress spheres.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Which one is this? I've only played Tactics on GBA and FF3 on the DS but your version sounds awesome

[–] [email protected] 22 points 1 year ago (8 children)

The original Final Fantasy 7, considered by many fans to be the best of the series. No idea if the remake is any good.

(I stan FF3/6 and FFT but that's just me)

[–] [email protected] 9 points 1 year ago (1 children)

The remake is good. Bonus you can see Cloud in drag costume in HD

[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 year ago

I just finished that segment. Wasn't sure how they'd translate it to the remake (I've lived under a rock to avoid any spoilers / controversy)

I was in tears laughing so hard I had to do it 3 times. glorious. They went HARD

[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Oh Tactics is such an underrated masterpiece. I really hope we get that rumored remaster soon. 3/6 is also amazing, super easy, but so well designed.

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[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 year ago

No idea if the remake is any good.

It is good.

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[–] [email protected] 15 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (4 children)

The OP is intended to describe FF7 but tbh it also applies to 13, 12, 10 (although you're taking down megareligion instead of megacorporation), and possibly also 8 and 9 which I haven't played but have confirmed with light research that there are furries

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[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Many of these story lines in movies and games still work as propaganda that functions "pro corporation":

A lot of the problems and evil is caused by rules of the system that create emergent behavior. E.g. the rules of capitalism create greedy corporations and lobbying to subvert democracy and funding to create and spread ideology to justify all this.

But a good story needs a villain not some abstract concept with complex problems and solutions. So even "politically critical" stories focus on some corrupt politician or senator or rogue government agency. Once they are defeated or unmasked the good newspapers and governments fix the problem. But that is really a fantasy.

This is more prevalent for movies since games mostly have post-apocalypse settings. But it's still a focus on individual evil instead of the soft unfathomable evil of systems and rules creating evil or ineffective institutions.

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[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Final Fantasy 6 also has the same type of plotline except instead of an evil corporation it's an evil empire and sociopathic clown (Kefka). This game was released on the SNES btw with Chrono Trigger. Do I dare mention Final Fantasy 9? Btw before people ask FF6 was my childhood and I loved that game that's how I know it from the inside out

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 year ago

Woke was never a new concept, it's just a new word that people use so they don't have to admit those aspects of themselves they can't really defend and don't want to admit. It's basically a misdirection tactic to shift the discussion back onto their critics without admitting the problem they really have with something.

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