Man, Proton sure has gone up hill lately.
this post was submitted on 20 Feb 2024
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My issue with them is that they make their lower tier plans too enticing. I've wanted to upgrade to pro for all the fancy gizmos but the basic mail plan is just too good a deal to upgrade.
Their en-goodifying trend is concerning to be sure, it's almost like they want users to value their service. It's so confusing in today's business world.
Unlimited for seven or so years now, never regretted it in the slightest. I feel like they throw some bonus to you whenever they can - under promise, over deliver. I've been burned a lot by companies that became evil over time, hence I'm careful with praise but so far Proton has been one of the most pleasant customer experiences I had.
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I still remember how ludicrous it was when Gmail offered 1GB for free. What did Hotmail give us? Like 50Mbs?
I remember when Google offered "unlimited" for free.
They still do if you can store data as a video file on Youtube.
Write your data as base64 string and scroll it star wars intro style. Bam, unlimited storage on Google via YouTube once you write an ocr to base64 decoder.
im sure there are some image steganography techniques that could also apply to video. i'd be very surprised if there aren't people hiding data in videos already.
There are. A few months ago I've seen a Github project aimed at exactly that, already functional at the time
P.S. found https://github.com/DvorakDwarf/Infinite-Storage-Glitch
Until your video gets compressed — anything that damages the pixels would probably destroy the data completely.
I’ve definitely seen image steganography techniques that survive lossy compression.
I'm pretty sure I have 1TB of storage on yahoo email.
...Yahoo though, so I'm moving to proton
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I started with Hotmail back when it was 2 mb.
Wow. I guess we didn't really send attachments that often back then and 2mb was plenty.
Well and the attachments we did send were rarely anywhere close to 2MB. Uploading 2MBs on dial-up was TORTURE, especially my shitty rural dial-up.
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I've had ProtonVPN for 3 years now and I have 0 complaints.
It's the only VPN I've ever used that doesn't have less bandwidth on VPN than off. I regularly saturate my gigabit connection for hours at a time with 0 issues or throttling, and tunnel my torrent client's traffic through it 24/7. It also allows me to watch 4k content on mobile data without throttling and circumvent my phone provider's restrictions on hotspot/tethering that they want me to pay $30/month to remove.
Best $5/month I've ever spent.
I had no idea you could use a VPN to circumvent mobile data throttling. Fucking amazing info, mate.
If you can, it's actually a bad thing because it means the Telco is violating net neutrality by picking and choosing certain traffic to zero-rate.
Not all countries are lucky enough to have net neutrality...
It violates the principle and is therefore a bad thing regardless of what the law is.
Glad to help!
The reason it works is because telecom providers use DNS-based throttling instead of deep packet inspection to selectively limit bandwidth to video sites. They have a massive list of all the popular streaming sites (YouTube, AppleTV, Netflix, etc.) and then throttle the sites in the list. When providers say "unlimited 480p video streaming" they actually have no clue what video quality you are watching. They just pick a bandwidth limitation that would only allow 480p video to play without buffering.
They could in theory use network traffic analysis to identify video websites which have bursty bandwidth patterns (due to the nature of video buffers), but this would be more difficult, more expensive, and extremely prone to false positives.
This doesn't make any sense. Your phone service provider can't see what you're doing, but surely they can see how much data you're using.
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My complaint about ProtonVPN is they don’t support custom DNS in the apps. It would be nice to use NextDNS.
Apparently you have to forward an email address to get the 1GB. I downloaded it and set it up. I was able to lie and say I moved the rest of the applications by just saying done.
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I use them as my main e-mail and my Gmail for all the spam shit.
So serious question. Is proton worth it and easy to work with?
free plan is definitely not worth switching to;
You short think of it as a primarily paid service with a free trial, not a "free, but with paid subscription for extra stuff" type of deal
they even go as far as to attach an ad with a referral link to all of your outbound mail on the free tier (btw hiding the fact that this happens is kinda scummy but whatever; if you're curious, it's all the way at the bottom of the settings menu, and locked unless you pay up)
also, it defaults to proton.me, but some large websites ~~including ph~~ don't accept these, protonmail.com addresses are a lot more reliable
I've been using their Unlimited plan for over a year. ~$8 a month for half a TB of cloud storage, automatic photo backup on mobile, fantastic web email and mobile email client, and a great VPN that allows for port forwarding and P2P-optimized servers.
Totally worth it for me. Great feature set, especially on their email. Everything runs smoothly on my systems. I run Linux on everything and their web client has always been really clean and responsive. Their mobile client too. I use GrapheneOS and haven't noticed any issues with their email or VPN app so far.
Made switching from Outlook & Gmail super easy. I don't miss those trash services at all, especially not Outlook lol.
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I use them for email. They're exactly like any regular email except with the potential for encryption.
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Give it a try and see. I'm currently looking at moving from them, I shifted everything google workspace to proton in Nov and my main issue has been with Drive the whole time. The email is ok, but as it's all encrypted the search is next to useless.
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What happens when they reach the point of “enshittification”?
They don't have shareholders to please and don't seem to be hungry for money right now.
Once that changes, sure, they'll go downwards.
Word of advice for you, if you have this attitude towards everything you won't enjoy anything in life anymore.
It's why I pay for my proton mail. I don't want enshitification to occur.
It’s a fair question these days but I probably deserve the kick back. 😀
Honestly, I don't even think it is a fair question. What about asking "when they reach enshittification" gives any options on the answer? They become shitty, like everything else.
Company: Marginally improves free product tier
You: "Well shit, this is the beginning of the end for those guys!"
I wish people stopped to throw that term around
It's been giving me semantic satiation for a while now.
Next time you see that comment box open up before typing something - think.
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Niiiice. I use a free account for some backups of some files and this is definitely a huge plus.
I got this email too... And I'm already paying for Mail Plus so it doesn't apply to me
Nice.
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