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"There is international pressure and it's growing, but particularly when the international pressure rises, we must close ranks, we need to stand together against the attempts to stop the war," he said.
Sorry, why is Isreal not an isolated state at this point? If they won't respond to international pressure, and indeed are intent on doubling down because of that international pressure, why even include them in international bodies?
It's so odd
Oh dude. I can confirm that for you. I grew up Roman Catholic. I know 80 percent of practicing Christians around the world just want to live and let live.
But the polling for American Christian evangelism is fucking scary. There was a deep dive into Jan 6 2020 and it turns out the evangelical community was key in planning the entire thing. They will tell you with a straight face that Sharia is bad and we should replace the Constitution with the Bible. There was an article yesterday where they proudly said women shouldn't be able to vote.
ChristoFascist is a descriptor, nothing more.
We had a crazy Christian in our office. He was 100% all-in on the prophetic books like Ezekiel and Revelations. He would go on and on about how all the current events in the Middle East, Russia, and the Caucasus were prophesied back in biblical times, and that the Rapture would happen any time now. He literally told me that if he didn't show up for work for a few days it was probably because he'd been Raptured up to heaven, and that's how we will know that the end times are upon us. Our previous CEO was also of the crazy Christian persuasion. He wasn't as loud as Rapture-boy, but definitely into Christian prophesy and numerology and applying it to current events with an eye on the end times. And I don't even live in a bible belt. This is not as uncommon as you would think.
I think you're talking about Christian Zionism which was at odds with many Orthodox rabbis who were anti-zionist early on. Crazy stuff
Fun fact: there are more Christian Zionists in the US than there are Jewish Zionists.
Why do people never follow "fun fact" with a fun fact?
Fun fact! If you befriend crows, they might bring you shiny things, but more importantly, descendants of the crows that you befriend will remember you and ALSO be your friend! Yay corvids, smart birdies!
Well, you gotta remember that in the Bible, the Jews (then Hebrews before becoming Israelites) are God's chosen people and God aids them in destroying other nationalities all the time in the Old Testament. Hence the 12 Tribes and Israel coming about.
Christians will back the 12 Tribes of Israel because they're the foundation of their religion. You can't have Christianity without accepting God chose the Jews as his people and created the Kingdom of God and distributed it amongst Jacob's 12 sons. If this is not true, nothing after it is either including Jesus as the Son of God, gentiles being accepted, and being judged be the 12 thrones in End Times.
So I think you will find most Christians support it while those that don't simply don't know their own religion too well.
So, yup! Pretty fuckin' scary. But it's not like it's anything new. Lots of people have been killed in the name of religion before us and lots of people will once we're gone.
Great perspective, I enjoyed reading that thank you
Israel has a strong backing from the US. It is part of their Modus op since early 1900s which is to get a strong backer. Earlier, British was their patron and that's how they get their foots in Palestine. Sometimes in 1930s or 40s (if I am not mistaken), they managed to get close support from the US, that became their new patron, and they reduced their dependence to the British at that point and even committed terror campaigned against them so that the British wouldn't be in their way to gain Palestinian territories.
So, why would they care about international pressure/support when the US is with them. It's not necessary, as the international community won't be able to do much as long as some powerful body is always be behind them.
A couple of details you got wrong Israel didn't exist until 1948, until then the area was the Brit Mandate over Palestine.
After WW1 the UK was granted control of the area from the former Ottoman Syria by the league of nations in 1920, under what was called Mandatory Palestine.
Yes I got it wrong. Instead of Israel, It should have written Zionism, the foundation of Israel that we see today. Zionism continues through modern Israel, and Israel doesn't exist under thin air.
Anyway, I don't see anything wrong with my statements of British and US backing. They reduced their reliance on the British after WW2.
To watch the Biden administration continue to pretend that they have any effect whatsoever in preventing Israel's murderous rampage is just embarrassing at this point.
I can't wait to see how they completely fail to hold Netanyahu to account this time ...
According to half of lemmy he can press a magic button to stop it.
Oh, and it's his fault... Somehow.
It's not his fault, but he has approved a number of military aid packages that get sent directly to Israel. So, in a way, it kinda is indirectly his fault.
Instead of dealing with our own problems in our country, he's giving money to Israel to participate in genocide.
Biden could stop supplying weapons and ammunition until the radical Republicans finally pass a budget that includes money for that. He could put limitations on the weapons that we do supply to Israel, like we've put restrictions on the weapons we supply to the rest of the world - including Ukraine. He could put sanctions on the members of the Israeli government and the Israeli press and the Israeli religious community that have publicly called for Palestinian genocide. He could speak against Israel's actions in his speeches, or send surrogates out to do so on his behalf. He could stop vetoing toothless UN resolutions calling for Israel to stop murdering civilians.
European view here, with a question:
I understand the US has always stood by Israel. Some reasons geopolitical, some religious and some business related.
Wouldn't every president who would actively block military or financial aid to Israel or even whisper the word sanctions be a pariah in his own government?
How would the media react?
How would the big players and decision makers in politics, religion and business react?
That's the real problem. Israel is a major ally because they're in the Middle East and not many countries like the US there. So it's in the US interest to support them.
There's also a very scary amount of doomsday religious people with pull that believe Israel will trigger the end of the world, and they actually want that to happen.
Nice strawman.
What he could do, at the very least, is follow the tone already set by his VP, or even (dare I say it) threaten to pause US military support if the assault on Rafa goes ahead.
Yeah the button is labeled "stop transfer of bombs to Isreal". All he has to do is push it. Without the unlimited firehouse of US taxpayer funded weapons flowing in, Isreal will have to decide whether they want to draw down their current stocks blowing up residential houses and hospitals, leaving them more vulnerable to actual threats, or pull back. Also, the US is the only thing holding back international accountability. If Isreal loses that support, they might face consequences for their actions, become isolated, lose trade, etc.
Now it doesn't have to get all the way to that point, the US could just seriously threaten cutting off support, military or otherwise, and Israel would likely back down. But Biden calling bibi and saying "pwease don't target civilians" is not asserting pressure.
Biden won't do more because he knows if he puts real pressure on Isreal then Republicans would attack him as "weak on Hamas" or whatever, and that threatens his reelection. Biden cares about that far more than human rights.
He's personally stopped Netanyahu before. The Israelis stopped bombing Gaza in 2021 after one phone call.
Also supplying the bombs makes you pretty fucking complicit. Everyone understood this when Iran supplied AQ with roadside bombs in Iraq but now it's some distant concept.
Can’t fail to hold someone accountable if you never try to.
The bare minimum would be to follow international law regarding supply of weapons to a genocide.
If you wanna go absolutely wild, you could stop vetoing UN resolutions demanding a ceasefire.
Haven't you heard?
Biden said they'll be a ceasefire in a week, it's like "infrastructure week" all fucking over again.
Yep - that prediction certainly aged like milk.
Hey, he's just helping domestic yogurt production...
You don't understand, they're building a dock in Gaza!
The Biden Administration takes no responsibility for the 18 year old Israeli Naval Blockade or any internal checkpoints that may or may not be turning around aid convoys. Furthermore the American administration cannot guarantee any Gazans will be able to reach the docks without Israel deciding they are in fact Hamas because they're conducting civil governance.
I'm disappointed to be a part of this species
Thanks Biden
Why does the United States not take all of these refugees? They could easily fit them all in Miami.