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This has happened once before and they reversed it. But they said this last time too:

The discussions that have happened in various threads on Lemmy make it very clear that removing the communites before we announced our intent to remove them is not the level of transparency the community expects, and that as stewards of this community we need to be extremely transparent before we do this again in the future as well as make sure that we get feedback around what the planned changes are, because lemmy.world is yours as much as it is ours.

https://lemmy.world/post/3234363

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[–] [email protected] 369 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (14 children)

Lemmy world:

Users, not even on Lemmy World or directly affected by this:

Pissed Pikachu with torch and pitchfork

I'm not in the loop or even involved with LW's admin affairs, but I would imagine there was a letter or email to them or their service provider that prompted that and likely named those communities specifically. Going out on a limb, I would guess the community removal was a timely response to something like that, and based on LW's history, an announcement will probably be coming soon-ish.

Before you grab your torches and pitchforks, remember: Pretty much every Lemmy instance is run by volunteers that don't have legal departments.

[–] [email protected] 134 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

"The cloud is just other people's computers" - It's inconvenient, but those computers are real, physical objects subject to oversight from real, physical law enforcement.

[–] [email protected] 61 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (10 children)

Evidence No. 3783 that "social media" and "privacy" do not mix well together.

Let me repeat one more time:

  • anything you write online should be considered public.
  • There is no "consent-based" fediverse.
  • There is no "GDPR protects me from that".
  • There is no "security through obscurity".
  • There is no "dark corner of the internet".

No matter your morals and ethical values, If you need to have any type of conversation that you think might get you in legal trouble, do not have this conversation in a public forum. Use #matrix if you have to, and even then you'd still need to worry large group chats which may have some undercover agent.

And if you are really concerned about "censorship", then ActivityPub is not for you. Go join forces with the bitcoiners and use #nostr.

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[–] [email protected] 45 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

Yeah like.

This isn't reddit dot com opaquely purging your favourite subreddit for some unspecific corporate reason.

The admins stated quite clearly why they are blocking it ("we don't want trouble, and our TOS lay out that we'll defed from illegal shit for our own safety"), and it is their instance. And unlike Reddit -- The community is still THERE in its home server. It has not been burninated. -- You can just. Make an account elsewhere. It's free. It takes less than 5 minutes. You can even KEEP your LW account for other communities.

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[–] [email protected] 22 points 1 year ago (6 children)

Are you telling me Reddit is free to have a Piracy sub, but Lemmy isn't?

What's the point of Lemmy if Reddit is more free?

[–] [email protected] 45 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (4 children)

Reddit is an American company, subject to American laws, that has a legal department (i.e. has lawyers on retainer). Lemmy World, like most other instances, is run by volunteers and donations and is subject to the laws where it's hosted and/or where its operators reside.

When you receive a takedown / DMCA / whatever legal mumbo-jumbo applies to your jurisdiction, you have two choices:

  • Comply immediately
  • Fight it in court

The first option is free. The second option costs a lot of money if you don't already have lawyers on retainer and can cost even more money if the court rules against you.

Sucks, but that's the way it is.

Again, I'm only speculating that was the case here. However, given Germany is one of the jurisdictions LW is accountable to, it's not that wild of a guess.

In most EU nations, piracy is usually not even a blip on the radar for security forces and internet providers. Things seem to work completely differently in Germany, where breaking copyright law can carry a sentence of up to three years in jail, alongside a large fine and trial costs. - Source


What's the point of Lemmy if Reddit is more free?

That's such a broad question that I'm not even going to bother. Instead, I'll answer with the same question as when "states' rights" are brought up:

"~~States' rights~~ Free to do what, exactly?"

You're also free to run your own instance and accept all the legal liabilities that come with that.

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[–] [email protected] 44 points 1 year ago (3 children)

You seem to be confusing Lemmy.world with Lemmy as a whole. Lemmy is free to be used for anything by anyone.

Lemmy.world is the largest and most mainstream Lemmy server, so they need to be especially careful about legal issues. If lemmy.world gets taken down due to mirroring content hosted on lemmy.dbzer0.com, the whole network would partially collapse because of how many users and communities are hosted on lemmy.world.

It's not even close to worth the risk. This is how federation is supposed to work.

[–] [email protected] 22 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (16 children)

Isnt the federations key idea to avoid collapse if any single instance it failing? This sounds like the system has become too centralized around lemmy.world

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[–] [email protected] 20 points 1 year ago (1 children)

the dbzer0 piracy community has been around much longer than most of the users here. they spun up when they saw the writing on the wall, and they permit things that would not be permitted on reddit. and, it seems, they permit things that are not permitted on .world.

but the instance is still there. the community is still there.

and you can leave .world, join an instance that hasn't banned !piracy, and keep right on going.

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[–] [email protected] 116 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Great thing about the fediverse is that you have options when admin/moderation actions occur that you don’t agree with. If Reddit were to remove /r/piracy then we’d have no recourse

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[–] [email protected] 105 points 1 year ago (20 children)

Stop crying about it and just join a new instance, pretty simple.

[–] [email protected] 43 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (3 children)

Yeah that. And I say it as someone who, on a good day, will go on philosophical rambles about how piracy is in fact the moral thing to do.

Do people just not get that this is the entire point of a decentralized system?

Hop accounts, you lil' bitch. Don't sit in one server complaining about the owner of that server when you have a billion options.

And if your priority is the piracy community? Make the server that hosts that your homeserver.

Or just have more than one account and use an app instead of the default webpage.

It's not rocket science. People's brains are poisoned by centralization. Back in my day everything was its own separate forum with its own separate account and to be honest, it was miles better like that.

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[–] [email protected] 86 points 1 year ago

This is why you don't sign up with the biggest possible instances, eventually they will become the biggest possible bottleneck in a network. Anything dot world admins do will affect all of their users, that shouldn't be surprising 🤷

As for dbzer0, this might affect users in the short term but eventually people will figure out how to access the sub from more friendly instances.

[–] [email protected] 69 points 1 year ago (5 children)

This isn't reddit. There's a clear solution here: decentralization. Aka, like the entire point why we're on Lemmy in the first place. Join another instance lol.

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[–] [email protected] 63 points 1 year ago (4 children)
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[–] [email protected] 56 points 1 year ago (8 children)

What a bunch of fucking clowns.

Anyways.... [email protected]

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[–] [email protected] 45 points 1 year ago (25 children)

Did they really do it again, fucking hell. I came here for a better experience then Reddit and I feel like it’s starting to be a worse experience then Reddit. Transparency from admin my ass.

[–] [email protected] 39 points 1 year ago

...if your metric is admin transparency, how the hell do you figure that Lemmy is worse than Reddit...?

I feel like Lemmy falls short in a lot of ways but transparency is not one of them

[–] [email protected] 33 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Feel free to join any other instance from that list: https://github.com/maltfield/awesome-lemmy-instances?tab=readme-ov-file

You can export and import your settings (including subscriptions and block lists) in two clicks from your account settings.

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[–] [email protected] 30 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Transparency is there in the sense that the modlog makes clear that a lemmy.world admin blocked the community. If it were Reddit we'd never know how, just that it is blocked.

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[–] [email protected] 43 points 1 year ago (7 children)

When "reddit outside of reddit" does reddit things 🫨

[–] [email protected] 42 points 1 year ago (1 children)

To be fair, Rudd is just a hobbyist who runs .world in his spare time. If he’s getting legal pressure, he’s probably going to cover his ass. He’s not a company with a legal dept. He’s a guy with a family and a day job.

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[–] [email protected] 39 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Sad that antipiracy laws are in place.

But understandable that lemmy.world protect themselves against those unfair laws.

The sailing will continue, but, as always, we should be wary of the "navy" and sail with precaution.

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[–] [email protected] 29 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Can confirm, moved out of lemmy.world by this bullshit.

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[–] [email protected] 23 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Gross. Useful idiots are the worst.

I'll be looking for a new instance, pronto!

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[–] [email protected] 22 points 1 year ago (1 children)

The pirates will simply move to another Lemmy Instance and re-create the group there. This is the advantage of having a decentralized platform: so one person or small group of people can't ruin things for the rest of us.

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[–] [email protected] 22 points 1 year ago (8 children)

Does removing mean defederate?

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[–] [email protected] 21 points 1 year ago (7 children)

Spin up a piracy instance on a server in China or Russia and be done with it.

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