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[–] [email protected] 108 points 1 year ago (4 children)

This is nuts. This better not be some bullshit to manufacture consent for war escalation.

[–] [email protected] 86 points 1 year ago (3 children)

Days after Putin's reelection? Sounds very suspicious indeed.

[–] [email protected] 21 points 1 year ago

Remember: no Russian.

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[–] [email protected] 30 points 1 year ago (1 children)

A lot has been said about Call of Duty MWII, but if your theory is correct then we'll have to say that, of all things, its plot was prescient. And i'm not ready for that

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[–] [email protected] 72 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (16 children)

Has anybody claimed responsibility for this yet? This doesn't sound like the Ukraine. They hit strategic shit.

[–] [email protected] 59 points 1 year ago (3 children)

Not seeing anything yet but it can be hard to get accurate news reporting from a country that kills subversive journalists and is in a war. I think most are assuming it's either an internal or external paramilitary group related to the war in Ukraine, or domestic terrorists related to the recent elections, I think targeting a concert is more likely the latter but we'll see which group takes responsibility if any.

[–] [email protected] 41 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children)

But Russia will immediately blame it on Ukraine and the west anyway lol

[–] [email protected] 37 points 1 year ago

Likely despite US intelligence warning about imminent terror attacks in Russia earlier this month.

[–] [email protected] 13 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (11 children)

Maria Zacharova (Kremlin) seems to think the most important thing right now is that the whole world condemns the attack, which I find to be a kind of weird priority since the thing just happened and we have no fucking clue what is going on.

[–] [email protected] 17 points 1 year ago (3 children)

You can still condemn it even if you don't know exactly who's behind it.

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[–] [email protected] 30 points 1 year ago

The article mentions the US warned of an imminent attack last month and the Russian state dismissed it. Russia also has a history of utilizing false flag operations to start shit, so I’m leaning towards that atm (before more details come out)

[–] [email protected] 19 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I mean… Putin did get into power by running false flag terrorist bombings on his own country, so there’s that angle too.

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[–] [email protected] 43 points 1 year ago (3 children)

PSA. It's Ukraine, just Ukraine. Not "The Ukraine"

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[–] [email protected] 28 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Russia is not against doing false flag terrorist operations. That is how Putin came to power.

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[–] [email protected] 28 points 1 year ago

IS has apparently claimed responsibility via telegram

[–] [email protected] 25 points 1 year ago (1 children)

This would have the opposite effect for Ukraine. It would cause Russians to actually rally around the flag and be more pro war. The Ukrainian strategy has been to just kill Russian combatants and hope they kill enough that Russians themselves start protesting the war on the home front.

[–] [email protected] 15 points 1 year ago

And blow up oil refineries that fund the war machine.

[–] [email protected] 21 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

It wouldn’t surprise me if this was Putin’s doing. He has a history of committing violence against him own people and blaming others.

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[–] [email protected] 63 points 1 year ago (11 children)

The Islamic State group claimed responsibility for the attack in a statement posted on affiliated channels on social media. A U.S. intelligence official told The Associated Press that U.S. intelligence agencies had learned the group’s branch in Afghanistan was planning an attack in Moscow and shared the information with Russian officials.

Respect to USA for trying.

[–] [email protected] 26 points 1 year ago (6 children)

The problem is that, this helps Putin. If we assume he has no regard for human life, then this is a massive opportunity for him. He's made the most out of opportunities like this one in the past.

This attack on innocent lives is a profound tragedy as it is. I wish I could spend more time dwelling on the plight of the victims but my brain won't stop panicking about all the ways Putin can exploit this situation to ruin even more lives.

It's why I couldn't shake the idea that this might be a false flag operation. It's why I can't deny the prospect that perhaps Russian security services didn't do all they could to stop this before it occurred.

My thoughts to the victims and those close to them.

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[–] [email protected] 44 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (18 children)
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[–] [email protected] 42 points 1 year ago (4 children)

“Remember, no Russian”

[–] [email protected] 15 points 1 year ago (13 children)

Crazy that two words can evoke such memories.

Anyways, fuck Vlad and Slava Ukraini

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[–] [email protected] 32 points 1 year ago (4 children)

Chechens finally making a move?

[–] [email protected] 31 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (3 children)

It could be. It certainly tracks with the separatists' move into guerilla tactics later in the second Chechen war.

Out of any time for them to start striking again, this would be it. Russia is stretched thin in manpower and supplies, and their attention is very focused on Ukraine and the West. Their ability to dump resources into the southern Caucus to tamp down a potential Chechen War #3 is definitely going to be limited. And coupled with the completion of Putin's sham election, it sends a very strong message against Russia's outward facade of "unity".

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[–] [email protected] 15 points 1 year ago (5 children)

They might have beards, hard to tell from the footage I've seen.

May be Islamic terrorism or a bad ol' fashioned Russian false flag. I doubt Ukrainians or Ukrainian supporting people would do a random terror shooting, they like to be more targeted and the shooting was at random people. There was a foiled group of Islamic terrorists arrested earlier this month, maybe another group.

We will have to see what Russia says.

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[–] pissedatyall 30 points 1 year ago (7 children)

China and Russia just blocked a truce in Gaza. Makes sense.

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[–] [email protected] 24 points 1 year ago (1 children)

And of course uncle Putin is saying it was Ukraine.

US security services have notified Russia of an impending attack, they notified US citizens there to about large gatherings

Gunmen went in calmly, shot at people for 1.5 hours without being stopped, then calmly walked back into a car and drove off.

IS claimed responsibility immediately

All of this clearly shows it was the Ukraine!

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[–] [email protected] 17 points 1 year ago (2 children)

So in essence:

  • US warns Russia for planned terror attack in Moscow

  • Russian government and Putin specific either ignore it for the reason the west is fooling them because would fit narrative for the war in Ukraine. Or

  • Russian government is just incompetent to do anything with that information. Or they know and deliberately don't do anything with it to link it to Ukraine (even though the perpetrators are IS). Since this was also done in 1999 to blame the Chechnyans, it would fit the profile.

Either way it will be Soviet style lying. The incompetence will be wiped under the rug. The deliberate holding back information and not adequate precautions will not be easily to be proven, yet it creates the narrative for the mobilisation. Fear is Russia's weapon of mass destruction, the lies are the instruments to fire those weapons.

“Every lie we tell incurs a debt to the truth. Sooner or later, that debt is paid.”

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[–] [email protected] 13 points 1 year ago (2 children)

A thing that’s really annoying to me about this is they don’t specify what the gunmen looked like and specifically what rifles they were carrying. IS has claimed responsibility, but if it was a bunch of Russian dudes with brand new AKs, it’s far less likely it was actually the IS, and was just an FSB op. Granted the FSB could have supplied brand new AKs, but far less likely to be IS if it was just some Russian commandos

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[–] [email protected] 13 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Are people on Lemmy going to treat these freedom fighters the same way they treat Hamas?

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