egg_irl — Memes about being trans people in denial and other eggy topics

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!egg_irl is for widely relatable memes about questioning one's gender or being an egg (a trans person in denial) as well as other eggy topics.

If you are looking for a place to discuss something specific to you or especially if you need help or are in crisis, we have communities and resources that can support you linked at the bottom of this sidebar.

General Rules:

  1. No bigotry.

  2. No spam, bots, or vote farming.

Rules on Content:

  1. No reposts.

  2. No personal-life posts, bingo cards, quizzes, selfies, "trans/not trans" lists, picrew, or non-memes.

  3. No visible names or usernames.

  4. Do not post or link to pornography.

Rules on Post Titles and Tags:

  1. Posts must be titled "egg_irl". An emoji or two is OK, but they have to be between "egg" and "irl".

  2. Posts that assume the viewer's gender and/or contain potentially triggering content must be spoilered and tagged at the beginning of the post title. Example content-warning tags that you can copy include the following:

    • [CW: Assumes Viewer is Transmasc]
    • [CW: Assumes Viewer is Transfem]
    • [CW: Assumes Viewer is Nonbinary]
    • [CW: Transphobia]
    • [CW: Violence]
    • [CW: Weapons/Firearms]
    • [CW: Disturbing Imagery]
  3. You may optionally include other tags, such as:

    • [Transmasc Meme]
    • [Transfem Meme]
    • [Nonbinary Meme]
    • [Gender-Nonspecific Meme]

Rules on Post Text:

  1. If possible, include an image description for accessibility.

  2. Add sources for art.

Rules on Comments

  1. If a post is tagged with a specific gender identity, keep the conversation centered on that identity.

  2. You must follow the Egg Prime Directive. You may not push or coerce people into identifying or not identifying a certain way. You must respect them as the gender they claim to identify as. In addition it is extremely in poor taste to make assumptions about other people's identities based on external factors, we understand it cannot be helped but it is best not to as it can affect the way you treat others in noticeable ways.

  3. No Ewwphoria posts. Posts which contain misogyny, misandry, transmisogyny, transmisandry, or enbyphobia for the purpose of expressing euphoria are not allowed here. At best they bring anger to others, and at worst they may trigger people's dysphoria. People who create such posts will have them removed and may be banned at moderator discretion.

Recommendations:

We strongly encourage you to include your pronouns in your account bio so that others know how to refer to you without misgendering you. If you're questioning or unsure of your pronouns, that's totally cool—just say so.

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Sorry for more meta posts; I'm depending on you all to counterbalance them with memes :).

I wanted to ask if we should have any resources for eggs and trans people listed in our sidebar after our rules. For example, the transfem community on lemmy.blahaj.zone has these resources listed:

Another that comes to my mind is The Trevor Project.

Thoughts? Yea, nay? Any suggestions on what to include or leave off if we do post a list?

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[Meta] Rules Discussion (lemmy.blahaj.zone)
submitted 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) by [email protected] to c/[email protected]
 
 

At the moment, I've taken the rules that were in place on r/egg_irl as a starting point for our community. You can find them, tweaked for Lemmy (edit: and updated according to early feedback below), in the sidebar. Unfortunately, the r/egg_irl wiki is not accessible during the blackout, and it was not archived in the Wayback Machine, so we'll have to wait a bit to get the full versions.

There are, however, four potential changes that I'd appreciate community input on:

Scope

Nominally, r/egg_irl was for memes about being an egg, but a lot of the posts were just about things that eggs and omelettes could relate to. Do we want to update the community description to reflect that broader scope?

Content Warnings

Lemmy does not have post flairs at the moment, and I know it's going to be important that people can filter out content that would cause dysphoria. As a stop-gap, I would like to propose that posts assuming the gender of the viewer be required to be spoilered and be marked with a square-brackets tag [CW: Assumes Viewer is …] at the start of the post title. Similarly for posts that discuss violence, transphobia, etc. That won't be enough to support filtering, but hopefully it would help people avoid clicking through to content they don't want to see. Thoughts?

Also, while discussing post flairs, do we want to go further and ask all posts to be tagged [Transmasc Meme], [Transfem Meme], [Nonbinary Meme], etc.?

Pronouns

Lemmy does not have user flairs either, so there's no good way to know commenters' pronouns at a glance. Do we want to have a recommendation (I don't think we could make it a rule) that commenters list their pronouns in their user profile?

It was also nice that people could flair themselves as questioning, cracked, etc., but I don't that that's the kind of thing everyone wants to make as visible across Lemmy as being in their profile, so I don't have a good suggestion for replicating that feature.

Image Descriptions

One thing that I think we could improve on versus r/egg_irl is accessibility and searchabilty. (I at least had trouble finding old memes back on Reddit since every post is titled so similarly.) I have tentatively added

  1. If possible, include an image description for accessibility.

to the sidebar, but there is a cost because it takes time to manually type up an image description, as well as a risk that people won't write good descriptions. Are we okay with this being in the rules? Do we want to make it a hard requirement?

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Today we're making a post explaining the Egg prime directive here because a lot of people aren't fully aware of what it means and a few people haven't been following it. Today We will clear up some misconceptions about the egg prime directive. Explain why it is important, and also clarify that compliance with it here and on blahaj.zone is absolutely obligatory.

What is the Egg Prime Directive?

According to genderdysphoria.fyi the Egg Prime Directive is an "unspoken agreement between trans people not to tell people who are questioning their gender whether or not they are trans." I have also heard it compared to the Prime Directive in Star Trek which is a rule prohibiting interference with the development of alien cultures. While we think these are great starting points they are flawed in that they lack the fine details a code of rules should. There's a lot of fuzziness and uncertainty around it and what is or isn't acceptable under it. Which is why we are here today. We are going to explain the nuances of the Egg prime directive as well as add our own very much desired amendments to our version of it to ensure that this community is a safe and respectful place towards all, questioning, trans, or otherwise.


Egg Prime Directive Details

On genderdysphoria.fyi they state that if a person is explicitly told they are trans it opens up ground for denial, it activates mechanisms that trigger internalized transphobia and make people psychologically resist and dismiss gender dysphoria. This is 100% true, but it does not tell the whole story, and leaves out quite a few of the negative effects of what can happen if people of any gender identity are called or accused of being eggs, or coerced to identify a certain way.


When people get called Eggs

The experience of being told by someone else that your gender is wrong, that you're an egg, that your trans in denial can be extremely jarring or disheartening for many people, cis or trans. Depending on the situations it might even be scary or torturous. Some of the people who engage in so-called "egging" know how to take advantage of this and ask leading questions or taunt people in these situations who clearly aren't comfortable. Contrary to what certain political figures have stated, such interactions will not turn a person trans or cause a trans person to stop being trans. They will also not "deeply confuse" people into getting gender affirming treatments. However Egging itself can cause psychological confusion, it can cause mental distress and make people doubt themselves. They may if they are trans slip further into denial, like what genderdysphoria.fyi said. If they are a cisgender person who is Gender-Nonconforming, they may doubt themselves or feel something is wrong with themselves for the way they identify, the way they present, or both combined. They may feel self-hatred. When Egging involves people who are nonbinary or genderfluid these effects can be made much worse, as most forms of egging are directly invalidating to the experiences of Nonbinary, and genderfluid people. In short there are a whole host of negative psychological effects associated with egging.


What is and isn't "Egging"

There is a lot of confusion (some of it intentional misrepresentation) on what is and isn't considered egging. Some people choose to believe it is lighthearted humor, others more disingenuously believe it is the act of explaining trans issues to a person.

Here though we are sharply and clearly defining Egging as:

The act of badgering, insisting, or telling a person that they are an egg, or trans in denial due to an expression of mannerisms, clothing, or other presentation that does not match traditional gender stereotypes of the gender they currently identify as, or their apparent assigned gender at birth (AGAB).

Additionally actions meant to imply or insinuate this conclusion, or imply or insinuate disbelief in the person's gender identification on the basis of their expression of mannerisms, clothing, or other presentation that does not match gender stereotypes of the gender they identify as or their apparent AGAB, are also considered egging.

Finally, we consider any outward actions that refuse to acknowledge or respect the way a person chooses to identify themselves as indirect egging. As well as presumption that their identified gender is wrong.

While this may not account for every possible scenario a person has been called an egg in violation of the Egg Prime Directive, it is the one of the most common ones that happen.

Some examples include but aren't limited to:

  • Calling a gender non-conforming person an egg for wanting to have characteristics more in line with the opposite gender or be more androgynous.
  • Calling a person an egg for playing a character in a video game with a gender or sex different to their own.
  • Calling a person an egg for behaving or committing an action that goes against gender stereotypes.

Some people might consider telling another person that a person is or might be trans in denial to not be egging or to be permitted by the Egg Prime Directive, however we do not consider it to be. As it makes a presumption about a person's gender different than how they identify, thus invalidating it. As well as an attempt to change people's opinions about said person and/or the way they are treated by those people. Thus it is a violation of the Egg Prime Directive.

To sit down and offer support to a person explain to them the nature of gender identity, talk to them about your own gender identity. About what it means to be trans in general is not considered egging, and does not violate the egg prime directive. In fact this is considered supportive and affirming behavior.

To use the term "Egg" to describe your past self prior to coming out or identifying as trans is not a violation of the egg prime directive. It is the intended usage of the term.


Why does this matter?

The Egg Prime Directive matters because in a community dedicated to be a safe space for questioning people, people must feel safe to question. It also must be a safe space for anyone who is gender nonconforming, including many trans and nonbinary people. The act of Egging makes a space unsafe for these people, it means they have to tread lightly to avoid saying the wrong thing. It means their gender identity is up for questioning and debate by other people, and that is not a recipe for a safe space for people to question their gender and receive support and affirmation. In all likelihood spaces like that will lead to the opposite.


Enforcement of the Egg Prime Directive.

In Egg_irl it is obligatory that you follow the Egg Prime Directive. Violations are not permitted, under any circumstances. People who are found to be violating the Egg Prime Directive, excuse blatant violations of it, or encourage others to violate or otherwise not follow it, will receive moderator action. In all cases the offending content will either be removed entirely, or it may be locked as a public demonstration. Depending on the severity the offending user may be banned temporarily or permanently from the community.

Users permanently banned for violation of the Egg prime directive will also be entirely excommunicated from the egg_irl community. This may seem harsh, but since reddit.com/r/egg_irl has been all but destroyed by egging, it is necessary to maintain a safe space here. Do not violate our trust and faith in you and it will not be an issue.


Closing thoughts

While this was a bit of a long one I hope I was able to get across the importance of the Egg Prime Directive to people. I hope I was able to help people understand the kinds of behaviors that are unacceptable.

If you have any questions or feedback you'd like to add, please leave a comment. If I explained something wrong or if something came across wrong to you please let me know so I can hopefully correct it.

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egg♂️👗irl (lemmy.blahaj.zone)
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How to get out of an uncomfortable egg culture situation with this one simple trick.

Real talk: Calling people eggs is a violation of the egg prime directive, and is considered invalidating as you are trying to say that a person is not the gender they identify as, that their identity is invalid. Don't call people eggs, like ever, it's extremely uncool.

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egg🏷irl (lemmy.blahaj.zone)
submitted 2 months ago by [email protected] to c/[email protected]
 
 

Shavepost to maintain the balance 🗿—>🪒

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egg💘irl (lemmy.blahaj.zone)
submitted 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) by [email protected] to c/[email protected]
 
 

Crack your rival :3

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Egg😰irl (lemmy.blahaj.zone)
submitted 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) by [email protected] to c/[email protected]
 
 

When you start the decade as cishets, only to end it as transgays

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egg🧞irl (lemmy.blahaj.zone)
submitted 3 months ago by [email protected] to c/[email protected]
 
 

my cis friend helping me shop for gender-affirming care for the first time: a scene from the cartoon movie "Aladdin" where Genie helps Aladdin pick out a sultan outfit

I've never made a meme about my masc buddies so hopefully this came out ok

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Egg👩‍🏫irl (lemmy.blahaj.zone)
submitted 3 months ago by [email protected] to c/[email protected]
 
 

For those harsh moments of lucidity that break through the armor and pierce your heart.

For me, the cute moments of playful experimentation couldn't quite penetrate my denial, but they did weaken it enough for the strong hits to make it through. I would quickly try to block and repair as best I could, but the structure was compromised and couldn't hold like before. All these hits came from myself; from actually considering that I could be trans

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a timeline of a cartoon "boy" progressively becoming more and more feminine. as the timeline progresses the caption changes from "gifted kid" to "burnout" to "trans girl with a praise kink"

this hits a bit too close to home...

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egg🍓irl (lemmy.blahaj.zone)
submitted 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) by [email protected] to c/[email protected]
 
 

Don't ask me how many deaths my main save file has

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Egg:.|:;irl (lemmy.blahaj.zone)
submitted 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) by [email protected] to c/[email protected]
 
 

My favorite loss meme so far!

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egg💊🎅irl (discuss.online)
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Christmas without HRT is just Cis-mas

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egg (lemmy.dbzer0.com)
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Outside:

Combat boots and black pants.

Inside:

Pink and white striped programming socks (thigh highs)

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Description: The picture shows an female presenting anime character in front of a trans pride flag in the background. She is holding up a sign that says: "You don't need a big list of reasons and past signs to be a valid trans person, just feeling better as a different gender than your birth one is enough <3"

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submitted 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) by [email protected] to c/[email protected]
 
 

The first time you feel included with the girls 💅

Source: Danshi Kokoseidakedo Gyaru ni TS Shimashita aka. I'm a High School Boy, but I Got Gender-Swapped into a Gyaru

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egg 🪖 irl (discuss.online)
submitted 4 months ago by [email protected] to c/[email protected]
 
 

Some things have a silver lining I guess.

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egg_irl (ttrpg.network)
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Description: An upset anime girl. A text at the top says: "I'm so jealous of trans people." A text at the bottom says: "Why do I have to stay my gender, but they get to be another gender?"

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Where are you rn fellow girls?

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egg_irl (lemmy.blahaj.zone)
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