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His comment implies anyone speaking disfavorably about the dems stance on genocide is somehow a paid shill.
Read the rest of the comments. It's always the same thing. The dems lost because the voters got manipulated into thinking genocide was something to draw a line over. Well it fucking was. I still think not voting and voting for Trump of all people is massively stupid but I hate the message we are sending.
Trump isn't worse, he's the same on it. We shouldn't be calling them anything other then Genocide Joe and Genocide Trump. Biden did a lot of good but his whole legacy is not breaking with genocide.
We have 4 years to exert pressure and make sure the next candidate isn't a mossad and wallstreet plant. Instead we are infighting like peasants and trying are hardest to not hold the politicians who are suppose to represent us accountable.
Now Trump has already undone most of that good, has 4 more years to cause damage, and the genocide that you "drew a line over" hasn't stopped. Nice job.
I voted strategically but I shouldnt have to do it while gritting my teeth. They offered nothing because they thought they had an easy win. If we keep pointing at scapegoats and refuse to lay the blame with the ones actually in charge, we get the same exact choice in 4 years and we will lose again.
Ya, drawing the line was dumb but so is blaming the ones that drew it instead of the driver that's sending a train straight into a group of children.
Remember, nothing was...
A woman's bodily autonomy. A Trans person's right to comfort in their body. The separation between church and state. A birthright citizens right to live in their country. An employee's right to a safe job.
And so much more... And it's only been 7 days. Fuck anyone who said the Dems brought nothing to the table. You ignored what they were fighting to keep a hold of in order to parrot some bullshit Russian disinfo false equivalency about a genocide being committed by a different fucking leader in a different fucking country.
Why are you ignoring all the funds and arms sent to this entire different country? Do you think all that military aid is Russian disinfo?
Any president put in power in the US was going to provide aid to Israel one way or another. As abhorrent as Israel's actions are, they are a US ally, and they did suffer major terrorist attack in October, and they are surrounded by other nations that would love to chop them up. Full stop, any aid sent to Israel should have been conditional, but it's foolish to think that they would not have continued without US support. The situation is not black and white and our best chance of changing Israel's actions were to elect Kamala, and put Democrats in Congress that are for conditional aid to Israel.
What was Russian disinfo was pushing the narrative that Kamala was a genocide supporter to Democrats, and not pushing the fact that if trump won, he was going to back Israel completely eradicating Palestinians from the Gaza strip.
Then they could have continued without US support. If anyone in the biden white house or anyone in his wing of the party had wanted to withdraw it.
Exactly! So why throw away your own damn country because of a genocide being done by a different leader in a different country that was going to continue no matter what?
You may have loved it, but I resent being manipulated into voting in such a way that made me complicit in every centrist's favorite activity.
She had the power to say "If elected, I will stop selling weapons for genocide in accordance with the Leahy Law." She chose not to exercise that power. Just like you've chosen to make excuses for moral cowardice in the face of genocide.
A whole year of being called a trumper for disliking genocide indicates that no, it does not.
Which candidate did you vote for who was anti-anything-even-tangentially-related-to-another-country-committing-a-genocide? The choice is a false dichotomy, and by falling for it, you've enabled the worst fascist in my lifetime to take power.
Nah. Trumpers see the genocide as a good thing. Jews are better than Muslims in their hate hierarchy. You might have been called a trumper because you spent a year pushing a false narrative that would ultimately end up getting trump elected though.
I didn't. I voted for Harris.
So do centrists.
Citation needed
Scroll through the modlog on c/world.
Jesus Christ. I thought you lot were meant to be the lesser evil
Hate to break it to you, but we were losing ground on all of that, even with Biden as POTUS. Hell, a fair chunk of that happened when Biden was POTUS, and Dems had a majority in the house and senate.
And yes, don't talk to me "But Manchin/Sinema!!!"... Fuck off. Because if they were so bad, why were the dems funding those campaigns? Where was the party leaders, demanding their people get on the line, or else lose committee seats, lose money, etc etc.
And why didn't the Dems drop the filibuster from the senate rules packages? Simple majority vote for everything.
Its almost like they pretended to want to do things to better the working class conditions, without actually doing anything, in order to provide a constant feed of campaign talking points to run on.
I'm not sure how old you are, but as someone who was alive when "Don't ask don't tell" was a progressive policy, I can assure you that while Republicans are constantly tripping up Democrats, 8 years of blue leadership can certainly gain ground. Hopefully you had that opinion because you're young enough that you just assumed those rights were the status quo that was slowly slipping away, not realizing that they are a huge boulder that we've been slowing pushing up hill for the past century.
Sinema and Manchin are certainly to blame for a lack of progress, but we needed them to keep from slipping further, faster. Every spot filled by a republican just makes the rock heavier, the hill steeper, and the ground more treacherous.
Yes, I'm familiar with it, but it was only an improvement. One that got passed because of falling recruitment numbers, and changing social landscape (Being gay becoming more acceptable), so the Military Industrial Complex needed to compete withe the rest of the job market.
It was considered "progressive" at the time, because it was better than separating already trained soldiers, and the public saw it as a win.
For as long as I can remember, its generally been Democrats tripping up Democrats... Yes, you read that correctly. Eventually, we get people young enough in office, because the incumbent finally died (Because, with Dems, don't you fucking DARE challenge an incumbent, ESPECIALLY in local races).
So, less of a fight, and more succumbing to the times, is when we move forward. Just like right now, it's less about what the GOP fought for, and more the malaise with the global population due to us facing a species extinction, while starving.
Hey! We have had like 40 years of "blue leadership" in my city, and guess what we have?
Oligarchs run the city, county, and state too! Our Dem mayor loves cops, thinks Trump has some good ideas, and our governor is looking forward to working with Trump... Our governor, also a Dem, who is quite obviously a conservative.
How about instead of pretending Reich Wingers are progressive, we just pick progressives to run in those seats? You know, ones that actually listen to, and respond to the needs of their voters, instead of acting like voters owe the person their vote, just because of team colors?
I would find the lesser evil argument more convincing if the people advocating it didn't always turn out to be genocide denying conspiracy theorists who will ignore reality to defend unspeakable acts
Seems like you're not actually capable of pragmatically choosing the lesser evil while still condeming it. Seems like you always end up defending evil.
Trump immediately authorized 2000 lb bombs for Israel. That wasn't a thing before. He's worse and you suck for enabling him.
Biden authorized sending 2000lb bombs.
Then it came out that such bombs were being sent and under pressure he paused the sending of those bombs.
Trump resumed it.
You're whitewashing Biden's part in the willful mass murder of civilians (the US Military itself refuses to use 2000lb bombs exactly because of their massive collateral damage and Israel was using them in an urban area thus maximizing the killing from said collateral damage) for political point scoring.
While you're claiming the other poster "sucks" for being critical of Biden's stance on this you might want to look at yourself in a mirror.
I mean one 2000 lbs bomb, or 2 1000 lbs bombs... The result is the same: A genocide.
I hope you're right about four years because that's a return to normalcy that I can barely imagine right now
We're easy to dismiss that way. Then they don't have to think about how monstrous they have been to support genocide all this time.
Did you say you voted for Kamala?
She was the only viable option other than trump, as pro-genocide centrists were so fond of gloating. I voted for her. You gonna gloat that I voted for your genocide now?
Yep! You voted for genocide. Thanks for admitting that.
Gloat more. Trump is implementing the only thing you support.
That’s pretty hypocritical considering you support it too.
Would you prefer that I stayed home?
I suppose I’d prefer that you didn’t support genocide. But I guess you did what you felt you had to do to lessen the damage overall, even though knowing it wasn’t going to end probably broke your heart.
It’s just a shame that all the obnoxious trolls that seems to enjoy calling others “genocide supporters” can’t ever seem to understand that like you and I do….
Right?
Well, I suppose I did tell you to gloat more.
That would be the first time a centrist listened to anyone to their left.
Who’s gloating? I’m simply stating the fact that according to you- voting democrat is supporting genocide. And since you voted democrat…
Now where did I say that? I thought that someone could vote for a candidate even if they don't agree with 100% of everything they say. Or was that just something centrists say when they get everything they want out of a candidate and they want people to their left to shut up?
If you want to call me a hypocrite for voting for someone who supports your genocide, fine. I'll admit there's a case to be made. I hate myself for voting for your shit candidate, and you just love twisting the knife. You got your genocide.
Your support for genocide is consistent with your vote.
Let’s start with here:
then this:
and this was you talking about democrats:
and this gem:
(I especially love the part where you hypocritically admit that as set by your own terms- you support genocide)
Oh! This one made me laugh a little:
as did this:
and lastly, this:
I know your first instinct is going to be to move the goalposts around to redefine the intended points of these comments, but at the end of the day- it’s still just you ignorantly accusing people you don’t know of something that your accusations prove you don’t understand.
Oh, I see. Every time someone says "genocide," you read it as "Biden/Harris."
Did you vote for Harris?
I voted for Harris despite her support for genocide. You voted for genocide and had your choice of two candidates.
So… in trying to understand how this works. according to your rules, you would have also supported genocide by voting for Harris.
Go away, stalker.
Look at that! Two upvotes inside 5 minutes on a comment thread over an hour old. Tell your sock puppet I said hi!
Ain't got one, stalker.
Gonna have the admins check anyway. Can’t be too safe.
By all means. Let them know how you've started harassing me. I'm going to stop talking to you now, since both here and the community you followed me into have rules against slapfighting.
So let me get this straight. People are only ever allowed to communicate with you once, or they’re a stalker?
If I check, will I find you having conversations with the same people in different threads/posts? Or is this just a rule of yours that only applies to other people?
Because from what I see based on your public comment history, you do this- A LOT when you get backed in a corner. You pull out the accusations that victimize yourself in order to scare off anyone from calling you out.
You're both wrong here. Stop, or you both get a vacation from this community.
Do you actually, like, care about things like humanity or morality or anything like that? Or is this all just a team sport where your happy so long as you can get a 'gotcha' in?
It's all gotchas, that's liberal policy and debate tactics.
The paid shills were running a con. If you weren't on payroll, then you're the mark.
Seeing how most of the conmen have cut and run now that the job is done, it really only leaves one option for you.