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Meanwhile 🦗🦗🦗🦗 from the genocide Joe caucus.
What the fuck are we supposed to say? We spent a year and a half doing everything in our power to show the dems what they need to do to have a chance to win, they chose genocide instead.
Too late to say anything now that you've helped elect the orange felon. Too bad you couldn't stfu before and steered a significant amount of people to vote for the cunt as a protest vote. Enjoy the alternative.
Did you think that maybe uniting behind an evil candidate as your collective sole effort to defeat Trump was a bad plan?
You all say, "if only you all did what we did, we would have won." That's true in reverse - if you had all only done what we did, we would have won. And we wouldn't have had a war criminal in office either.
Why is the Democrat the default vote? How is it compatible with democracy at all, that the one thing we actually control as a people, the vote, isn't even based on who's the best candidate?
In my mind, this is very simple, we have a basic responsibility as a people to exercise FULL control over who's in office, to secure the outcomes we want. And we're failing to do that. We don't go through the process of figuring out who out of every candidate is best. The TV tells us which of two candidates to pick, and we pick one of those two. That eliminates all democratic checks on the government.
Hey you can elect this person that'll slap you or this person that'll stab you in the face.
Oh well the slapping is so bad we should just not choose either and give the win to face stabby candidate. That's the dumbass "logic" that got us here.
I mean, I fully expect it was also mostly a foreign psyop to steer votes toward Trump or at least generate apathy and keep votes from going to Kamala (same outcome more or less). Mostly because it's such a dumb premise of why you wouldn't vote for Harris and just sit out the election. So I can't imagine it was truly widespread and I think that's also why it's crickets now that the election is over and Russia's orange gremlin candidate for president of the USA won.
The actual choice:
A) Stabs you in the heart
B) Stabs you in the lung
C) No stabbing, picks wildflowers for you
And you guys go, "C isn't viable! At least you're less likely to die if you get stabbed in the lung - you have an entire hour to get to the hospital!"
Bro, C is right there. Was there the whole time. Why the fuck would we, AS A POPULATION, choose anything but the best option.
No, C is not "right there" when our electoral politics work the way they do. That's a huge strawman argument.
The reality is there were two choices, one clearly better for Palestinians.
A strawman argument is when they misrepresent something you're saying, not when you think they're wrong about how electoral politics work.
"Work the way they do". Oh, OK. If that's not how electoral politics work!
C got you trump you utter doughnut.
Game theory has consequences.
Did you see this part of my comment?
The population voting for C gets you....what? Let's think about this. Is it....C? Hmm, yes, it is.
Notice how I made a point to phrase it that way, to preempt comments like yours entirely? And then you went and posted that anyway, either because you didn't read my comment, or just felt like ignoring the point I was actually making?
You people INSIST we only ever look at it in terms of, "49.999 are voting Trump, 49.999 are voting Harris, your vote decides the election!" The pre-narrowed, individual choice. But that's not how the game theory applies here. The game in this case is that there's ~210M people with the ability to vote for anyone. There is no pre-narrowing. Their collective decision results in the electoral outcome. Your application of game theory here is literally incorrect.
People are not a hive mind.
By your logic, choices A through Z all have equal odds of winning.
They don't.
I can go into a full explanation about how you're wrong and you are also to blame for this happening, but I won't cause were so far past the tipping point there no reason to explain it to you anymore. Just know most everyone here knows you're either ignorant or dumb. The rest of us know you're both
I never see liberals say this shit to Obama or Clinton, despite Barry and Hildawg being the two most invigorating force behind the 2016 Trump climb to the top of the GOP Primary. I don't see them flinging it at the Starmer campaign staff, who popped across the pond to neatly derail Harris's poll climb with their shitty advice. I certainly don't see any mention of the DNC, the Dem donor class, or anyone who actually ran for office taking blame.
But hey, maybe cuddle up closer to your friends the Cheneys next election cycle. Maybe they've got the secret sauce that wins elections.
And we (informed voters) spent a year and a half painting you a very detailed picture of what was going to happen if you didn’t suck it up and do what was necessary to keep a rapist traitor out of the White House. Hell.. even HE spent a year and a half telling you exactly what he was going to do.
Remember Project 2025? Yeah… that is the actual name of what’s happening right now.
Sooo…..
Start with: “I’m sorry” and work from there. Because anything short of this is unacceptable.
The only thing that would have kept Trump out of the whitehouse was for the democrats to stop facilitating genocide.
You blue MAGA are the ones who helped them maintain the delusion they could have both their genocide and win. You helped them maintain the delusion they could have won with Biden until 5 months before the election.
LMAO your moral stand is going to literally get people murdered.
How does that feel? I think it'd feel bad.
You don't even need to take the moral stand to tell democrats to do the moral thing when the moral thing is also the only shot they had at winning.
Your stance is morally repugnant, but more importantly, ineffective. We told the democrats they would lose if they did genocide. You told the democrats they could win while doing genocide. Look at what happened.
Lmao, are you making a moral argument against acting according to morals?
The sad truth is that turning on Israel would have done more damage to the democrats electorally than it would’ve helped. Not saying it’s good, just sayings it’s true, and waving Gaza around as “the reason” Harris lost is kind of disingenuous and misses the bigger picture
Yes, the bigger picture is that as soon as Harris got the nomination, she ran back to the cold, dead embrace of the Biden campaign, and supported every single policy that made Biden so unpopular. No muslim spoke at the DNC, but they had cops, CPB, and republicans speaking for the party.
Her words when asked what the difference between a Biden and Harris admin would be was "Well I would appoint a republican to my cabinet".
Right up front, I voted for the ‘lesser evil’ in a swing state, so stow those comments about me enabling fascism.
I mean, you can keep saying that. But it’s not even true among Jewish voters, let alone the larger electorate.
I’m really starting to suspect these kind of comments are morality laundering after spending months backing an immoral stance held by a feckless executive who refused to see past his moral blind spot.
"Our country just wants genocide too much" is quite the take.
I love this logic because it doesn't even matter how bad the position is - we could be arguing against sending immigrants to gas chambers and you could still say "sorry, they can't run against that because they'd lose more votes than they'd gain". Nevermind the fact that they helped to create the political reality that they are now claiming to be helpless against. They spent the last 80 years making Israel into the centerpiece of middle eastern foreign policy and now they can't speak out against an ongoing genocide because they might lose their control and influence in the region.
Even better - some of the same people saying 'gaza isn't the reason we lost' are also saying 'we lost because we're too woke' - it shows just how much contempt the democrats have for their base that they dismiss the problem being with their genocidal foreign policy and instead blame their loss on being too friendly toward minorities.
bLuE mAgA!
It’s good to see you leaning into what your entitlement has won for you. Glad you can own it so transparently.
People are going to suffer but at least it’s not the democrats brand of genocide, right?
You learned nothing in 2016, you learned nothing in 2020, and you learned nothing in 2024. Can't wait to see you insisting that the democrats can win while running on compromise, building the wall, deporting every immigrant, getting tough on crime, banning trans people from public life, and continuing whatever war Trump starts in 2028.
That still doesn’t sound like “I’m sorry.”
To be honest, of all the posts I've seen of the shit Trump is pulling, all I've seen is comments complaining of the Democrats who didn't vote. The actual story in the post...crickets. It's unnerving when you want to actually see comments about the subject of the post and all the comments are "wwuuaahhh, you didn't vote for Harris it's all your fault" against people who aren't even reading the goddamn posts. I'm sick of it!
Like...I hear you guys. I don't fully agree but I hear you. But for fuck sakes, let it go, lets talk about the actual post instead of going on and on about the perceived injustice the Democrats have suffefed. Right or wrong, it's done! Let it go!
Did you think that maybe it’s because we all already knew about all of this shit? So it’s not as important for us to spend time discussing it because…
WE ALREADY HAVE BEEN FOR THE PAST YEAR.
Yes, I know you know. You are all very smart and sofisticated. But by being stuck on your complaining you are preventing people from discussing what really matters. In my case I see a post about the latest Trump antic, I go in with a opinion to give and eager to see other people's insights.
But it's all "wuahhhaaa...it's all their fault" and the actual shit that Trump pulled takes the back seat and is buried in your moping. So I've mostly given up on commenting on these posts even though I agree more with you than not. Trump himself couldn't censor me more effectively.
Your priority is being right. And since the shit that Trump does makes it easier for you to feel right then that is all you want the world to know. How right you are and how wrong the others were. And they should say "sorry" for eternity so you can feel right forever, while Trumps rapes your butt because your ego is what matters.
I want to be angry with you. But ultimately I just find it sad and depressing.
So wtf are you doing on here then? Your entire premise is so sad, months after one failed victory and you're demanding random strangers say they're "sorry" to you? Were you Kamala's campaign manager or something? Because the vibes fit right in.
You spent a year telling people what to do, congrats. Do you think the progressive movement just started? Do you think this is the first set-back the world has succumbed to?
It's kinda obvious that comments like yours reveal it's just some sort of sports game to you. You spent one singular year talking progressively, so now it's not as important to you but will post several comments saying how important it is for others on your team to bow down to your superiority.... because you spent a singular year talking progressively.... whoopdee fucking doo.
Oh, far more than a year and a half.
Joe Biden to rich donors: "Nothing would fundamentally change" if he's elected
Dems made it crystal clear that they were going to roll over to Republicans, whether nor not they won. Absolutely nothing in the last month has lent weight to the contrary.
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Its difficult because the dems 100% were enabling genocide. But, crazy enough, there's bad and worse genocide.
People who protest vote think they're "showing the dems" when they don't vote. Maybe the dems lose now but they learn a painful lesson and change in the future.
But here's the thing. The dems would rather lose to republicans than change. They will eat your protest vote. And they will accept they lost power for 4 years. And then they get re-elected and go back to what they were doing before. Being greedy and taking money from lobbyist as much as possible, including AIPAC, but not outright malicious. They never change because people only vote centrist dem or further right.
And them dems suck. They're bad. But Republicans? They're worse. They aren't doing genocide just for the profits. They're also doing it for the fun of it. The dems will show some restraint to avoid war with Iran. The Republicans won't.
So the protest vote won't show the dems shit. It will just unleash unapologetic genocide instead of milquetoast genocide. And while they're at it, the republicans will tank the economy and fuck up the lives of every minority they can manage.
Except no they don't, every time the dems run to the center, they get beat the fuck out. The only reason rightwing and centrist dems do well in primaries is because the billionaires and the party elite will do anything to keep it that way. There's a reason Bloomberg dropped out the moment Bernie was no longer a threat.
Left policy is overwhelmingly popular with the people because it helps the people instead of the capitalists. It becomes even more popular when it's implemented, hence why even rightwing parties in countries with universal healthcare never run on switching to the american system.
The dems didn't lose due to protest votes, they lost because they ran to the right and nobody came out to vote because rightwing policies are unpopular. Which is what I have been saying would happen since 2020 if Biden doesn't fight for us. Shit, when I was phonebanking for Biden in 2020, when I got young potential voters who were already activated, I didn't have the heart to tell them that none of the issues they associated with the dems, emptying the cages full of migrants, regular checks for people who couldn't work during covid, free healthcare, free college, weren't part of Biden's platform.
Do you not think Biden was instrumental in setting this up?
Biden: doesn't invade Gaza
Genocide Joe crowd after Trump cleanses Gaza: But did you think about how this is Joe Bidens fault?
It's clear that Israel has major sway with the US. We were not gonna stop them no matter who was in charge. I think Joe did as much as he could without pissing off our corporate overlords but him ending the conflict was never gonna happen.
I'm not sure the incessant chorus of 'I told you so's is really helping the cause.
Personally, I'm watching the dumpster fire from up on your hat, without any option to participate in your elections either way, but it's still getting pretty grating. Surely, there's a better strategy.
I've heard so much MSNBC bigotry in the last month.
"Palestinians cost us the election!"
"Trans people cost us the election!"
"Hispanics cost us the election!"
"Everyone under 40 cost us the election!"
This is typically followed by some sickeningly smug "I hope they enjoy what they get" from the most vile and repulsive insider slime the party has to offer. And now Dem Leadership is just throwing up its hands, insisting Trump's just a dictator now and there's nothing any of them can do.
Hell, the fucking CIA - the agency that exists to topple foreign governments - seems equally indolent and feckless. So, idk. Maybe saying "I told you so" isn't impacting the cause one way or another.
Wow I'm glad I don't watch MSNBC, that does sound truly sickening.
Yes, because hopefully if we point out how much not voting has hurt us and everyone else, these dimwits will actually choose the lesser evil next time instead of letting the greater evil win
We absolutely will not. Take that into account and stop thinking it's a bluff you can call.
Better to let the greater evil win, eh? If some Palestinians are bound to die, better that American transes die too?
*I have literally seen people on Lemmy share this sentiment
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You need to update your rhetoric. The Democrats have already started talking about how they lost because of their support for trans rights and plan to move away from that. Your line in 2028 is, "If Palestinians and trans people are bound to die, we might as well let the Republicans win and go after bi people too, eh?" But maybe you should start practicing for 2032 and say, "Oh, so if Palestinians, trans people, and bi people are bound to die, we should let the Republicans win and go after lesbians too?"
Or, instead of walking down the list of "then they came for's," we could draw a red line and say that if they keep walking down that path, we will make it impossible for them to win. And if enough people do, then they will either have to give in or be replaced.
Edit: You posted two removed comments that nobody upvoted lol. Reminds me of that Bloomberg ad about random Twitter users saying mean things lol.
Hey, me here from the Genocide Joe caucus, I voted for Harris, Trump is a despicable pathetic genocidal idiot...and Genocide Joe disgustingly facilitated the conditions for a genocide to be expanded upon by Trump.
Also while saying all those things I was chewing gum and walking, heap praise on me for doing the impossible.