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How long until Americans realize, and start to flee to Canada and Mexico. I'd advice those countries to prepare for millions of US refugees. Don't forget to include a bible and a gun in every care package to make them feel at home. Trump takes care of the immigration problem by making the US the worst place to be.
Way ahead of you. We left for the UK on inauguration day. Now I just need to get a job.
From all the European countries, you didn't pick a good one mate xD the UK is a mess
I got to pick one where I can legally live, and one that isn't going to force my daughter into a conversion therapy camp for being gay, which is what I am concerned with at the moment.
They haven't banned conversion therapy either
Okay, where do you suggest I should have gone when I'm only a citizen of the US and the UK?
Let's hear your plan.
I didn't know the UK was the only European country where people aren't forced into conversion therapy. Also, I didn't know the UK was the only country where an American can legally live. Should I be reporting all my American gay expat friends to the government now?
You clearly didn't do your research when moving to Europe, and clearly have no clue on how other European countries are. The UK is not the most gay friendly of all European countries and finding work as an American is easy in many EU countries and can even have some massive tax benifits (20% tax reduction in NL for example). Many EU countries have fluent English speakers and loads of jobs where only English is no issue. While in the UK it's going pretty fucked up since they left the EU. But at least their food can be of as poor quality as US food, so aclimating might be easier. Just be careful when getting sick, free healthcare could be a massive culture shock.
I'm a UK citizen. I was able to legally get to the UK by getting on a plane.
How would you suggest I emigrate to one of those European countries when I don't even have a job?
Clearly I'm very stupid and you aren't, so give me the plan.
There are agencies which help with expats finding a job and housing. Also schools for kids etc. I know it exists here in NL, but also in Norway, Germany and probably much more countries.
There are many job offers for expats. Many companies are scouting. Again, through expat agencies you can get easier access to these job offers, but not exclusively.
Why didn't you say you're a UK citizen? So you're not a US citizen and you moved back to your country of origin? I can understand that, although I still would have checked other countries first since the current state of the UK isn't that attractive right now.
As a UK citizen I think it's even easier to live in an EU country then a US citizen.
No, I am a dual national.
And your plan is for me to contact an agency, but you don't know what agency?
Cool. Get me one.
Oh, you think so.
I asked you for a plan. You've given me a bunch of vague and unhelpful shit after admonishing me for doing my best.
Hey, you're tasking me to get you a job right now. That's not how it works. I'm not saying you're not ding your best, I'm just pointing out your initial argument makes other European countries look like expats aren't welcome and we all force gay people into conversion therapy.
Yeah, because there are deals between the UK and EU to make working abroad simpler, so I think so, yeah.
I'm a national, I've never dealt with any. But expat friends did. A simple Google search led me to this:
NL:
https://www.expathelp.nl/
https://hollandexpatcenter.com/en/settling-in/
https://living-in-holland.nl/toolbox/
Norway:
https://www.expat.com/en/guide/europe/norway/
https://norwayexpat.com/
https://www.lifeinnorway.net/norway-immigration-guide/
Germany:
https://www.iamexpat.de/
https://expatra.com/germany/living-in-germany/
https://expatguides.de/
France:
Forget France. There is only one place with Nice people. Even if they speak English, they refuse to because of French pride. I'm partly joking ofc, but France wouldn't be my first pick if you're not a French speaker.
Just Google "expat help [country]" and you find loads of sources which can help. Countries love expats, there are too many jobs and too few workers.
No need to be so offensive mate.
Read your own fucking posts before you tell other people not to be offensive. Or did you forget you accused me of putting my child in danger because I'm stupid? Because I sure as fuck didn't.
Also, not one of those sites will give me a job right now or get me into those countries tomorrow. You admit you have no fucking clue what you're talking about, so how about shutting the fuck up?
I never said that. I would never. Please don't put words into my mouth.
Again, putting words in my mouth. Please don't. I never said that.
Dude. Chill out a bit. Your getting angry at things you imagine I said, which I never did. No need to curse. I'm going to leave this conversation now, I feel like I'm feeding a troll. Welcome back to Europe, please know you don't need to be so extremily angry all the time anymore. You're safe now. Have a nice day.
You absolutely did.
I said I brought my daughter to the UK for safety, and your response was:
And then I explained to you why I made my choice and you continued down that road with:
So yeah, you absolutely accused me of putting my daughter in danger because I'm stupid.
Just because you didn't literally use those words doesn't mean that's not what you said... and you must really think I'm stupid if you want me to believe otherwise.
So no, I won't chill out and I didn't imagine anything.
Good. I never wanted you in it to begin with.
Clearly English isn't your best language because you're putting words into my mouth. I said you didn't do research into other European countries as EU countries are not how you portray them to be: extremily anti gay and unwelcome to expats. How are you able to change that into me saying you've put your daughter into danger by moving to the UK? Your response is offensive, demanding me getting you a job. Wtf dude.
Right. Because I say the UK isn't too great economically since brexit, you change it to me saying you are putting your daughter in danger. If that's what you think, that's your imagination dude. Not my words.
I didn't.
It means exactly that I didn't say that. It means you only hear what you want to hear, not what was actually said. Stop putting words into my mouth.
Remember one post ago when you said:
You shouldn't have lied about that.
And you insulted me again in this post with the "clearly English isn't your first language" thing when you know full well I am a US/UK dual national.
I'm sure you'll deny that's an insult too since your game seems to be insult, deny you're insulting, then insult some more.
Looking forward to more lies.
This guy is toxic. Just disengage and stop feeding him. It will just keep going further downhill.
Is the only place in France with nice people Nice?
We have a winner
Thanks for all the links and info. These are stressful times. Everyone needs to cut everyone a little slack. I think we’re all on the same side here.
Because informing you isn't his fucking job?
Here's a trick you can use the next time you talk to somebody:
"Hey, why did you pick the UK of all places? What do you mean it's the only place you can live legally?"
Nice to have you over here. May i ask what sort of job are you looking for?
Thank you. I have decades of experience in audio video production and post production with a very impressive CV which hasn't helped much yet, sadly.
How long was the process?
For me, six weeks to get a passport because I have citizenship rights. For my daughter (and wife still in the U.S.), it involves me finding a job that pays more than £28,000 a year.
What if you were working remotely? Would that have counted?
I think so. As far as I understand, I just have to be in the country and prove I make at least that much a year or have that much in savings. But fully remote jobs are even harder to get.
Yeah I have a buddy doing remote tv editing gigs who is not in NY or CA. It has been very difficult since the easy money dried up.
I'm not running.
They're the ones who suck. Make them leave.
As one of the blue states, we’re not getting directly hit yet. Our leaders are strong and I’m a confident we can hold out, like a beacon of hope, for the next four years. We can rebuild. We have the technology. We can make it better than it was. Better, stronger, faster.
In theory we could even be better off, not paying in all that money that less developed states depend on, k though taxes never go down. I’m sure just like last time, they’ll add a twist to the tax cuts for the wealthy to screw over high cost of living states.
If only it weren't so difficult and expensive to get in.
Have you considered baing an illegal imigrant?
That's half our plans right?
Resist and throw monkey wrenches as long as possible then gtfo and "overstay" your visa at the last moment. Obviously this is more difficult for some of us and some should plan an exit sooner, everyone needs to focus on their own threat model and plan accordingly.
Be an accomplice, not an ally.
Hmm, perhaps not with the necessary enthusiasm...🤔
You're getting mixed up. The ones fleeing would not be the ones with the bibles and guns--those are who they would be fleeing from.
The loonies will flee too when they find out what they voted for.
I'm currently in the process of relocating to Canada via my job, know many others who are as well.
Some people are fleeing. The RCMP has been detaining a lot of people who have fled or are helping to move people out of the US.
Source?
https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/calgary/coutts-emerson-rcmp-crossings-1.7451655
Thanks. But are these people fleeing into Canada due to the Trump regime, or are they just smugglers / criminals? It says nothing about the motive. There are also people entering Canada to buy their meds there, smuggling them back to the US.
PS, in my head I'm reading it like a canadian from south park, adding "eh", "buddy", "friend", "pall" at the end of every sentence. Childish, I know, but oh so funny hehe.
Fleeing to canada could mean in the future to flee to a 51st usa state, hopefully this will never happen…
It would be the biggest state. I doubt Canada has a republican majority, so for Republicans this would mean a nightmare. Never elected again. Not that elections will be an issue when Trump manages to sit until death, like his buddy Putin, and Xi.
Oh that's just the rhetoric. It'll never be a State. That would give it protection from the corporations. It'll be a territory with federal laws forcing them to allow corporations to mine and log anything the corporations desire.
Narcisstic Buffoon Trump says he going to take over Canada so that he gets your attention for that one particular day.
Narcisstic Buffoon Trump says he going to take over Greenland so that he gets your attention for that one particular day.
Narcisstic Buffoon Trump says he going to take over Gaza so that he gets your attention for that one particular day.
Unless and until you hear news about actual US troops landing in Canada, Greenland, or Gaza, don't give Traitorapist Trump any attention at all for that crap. If he actually did any of that, he would have to pay a significant price. He is not saying anything important, so you are safe to go about your life.
I don't agree. I agree with him trying to get your attention, but I think it's because he doesn't want your attention at the stuff he's actually doing. Plastic straws? Rly? Better double check whatever else he's doing. He's constantly distracting everyone with some weird bs to hide his malpractice. No one cares about some simple executive orders when he's threatening to invade Canada, everyone will write about some stupid placric straws instead of some boring stuff which actually is harmful AF.
Imagine fleeing ro a county whose people have beed called drug dealer criminal rapists by the president they elected twice.