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"Tesla secured a series of approvals from California required for a promised robotaxi service.

The California Public Utilities Commission said it approved Tesla's application for a transportation charter-party carrier permit, a license typically associated with chauffeur-operated services, allowing the company to own and control a fleet of vehicles and transport employees on pre-arranged trips.

The permit is a prerequisite for applying to operate an autonomous ride-hailing service in California, but a CPUC spokesperson said the current permit "does not authorize them to provide rides" in autonomous vehicles, and does not allow Tesla to operate a ride-hailing service to the public."

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[–] [email protected] 28 points 1 week ago (4 children)

I would not trust a robo-taxi that relies entirely on cameras. It really does need lidar/radar and other sensors to work well.

[–] [email protected] 21 points 1 week ago

I don't care if it has LIDAR. I wouldn't trust a tesla.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 week ago (1 children)

I find it hilarious that my vacuum has lidar and cameras to avoid obstacles, but Tesla can't be bothered

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Tesla used to have it, but they removed it since Elon Musk only wanted them to use cameras. They even went as far as to send a software update to older cars to disable the extra sensors and only use the cameras.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 week ago

It's so Elon can save money

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 week ago
[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 week ago (4 children)

It helps, but humans function without LIDAR (though it can be helpful to them too). I am confident that it is technically possible to drive with just a camera, given sufficient image processing. Is our image processing in 2025 sufficient for the task? That I don't know.

[–] [email protected] 15 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (1 children)

Have you seen the recent video where a tesla fell for a wile e. coyote wall?

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 week ago

I got you fam, I posted a link for the person you responded to.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 week ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (1 children)

I mean I don't like Tesla either and I agree that they should use Lidars but how is a Lidar supposed to solve this issue? It's still a solid surface and the Lidar will still pick it up.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 week ago (1 children)

That's the entire point of Mark's test, Tesla doesn't use LIDAR anymore, just plain cameras. LIDAR wouldn't be fooled by such a painted wall, but apparently typical cameras can indeed be fooled.

It's similar to facial recognition unlock, if it doesn't use some form of 3D cameras or sensors, then just a simple photo of you is enough to unlock your phone.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 week ago

Oh whoops, I misunderstood what the video was supposed to show. Yea that tracks.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 week ago

The issue isn't image processing, but the logic of these systems. The algorithms/models running autonomous vehicles aren't smart or flexible enough. The current type of systems just aren't advanced enough.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 week ago

humans function without LIDAR

The point of a self-driving car is to be better than a human, and see things that humans don't see (like obstacles that are obscured by fog or rain)