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Yeah that’s definitely what America needs. Another fracture.
two parties do not constitute a political whole.
having only two parties in a democracy is a sign of weakness and sickness in the political system.
political parties representing people are not "fractures".
Only two parties is a sign of a First Past the Post voting system and people that understand basic electoral strategy.
incorrect, "patriot"
What a stunning and well thought-out rebuttal.
i hoped you might just be able to follow that. you're welcome.
What Bernie and AOC are begging of you is not to make the right move, but just to make a move. Get off your ass and run for office, any office, school board, city council, county board, local transit authority, state assembly member, Congress, fucking anything. You don't have to choose the right party, worry about that later, the right choice is to just get out there and start running on your platform. Though they do strongly imply that it would be very, very helpful to primary the centrist, corporate Dems.
Kind of close!
"not to make the right move, but just to make a move."
focus in on this part.
I never said they do. I just don’t think this is the time to overhaul the whole system when the first priority should be to steady the ship. You can’t fix things if you’re just struggling to stay afloat. Fixing things requires a certain level of stability.
Dems aren't steadying shit, they're taking up space that could be used by someone to do something useful.
Liberals have had over eight years to steady the ship, and they've spent that time alienating marginalized people and progressives and going farther and farther right with afaik no real resistance to trump. They've spent those eight years proving that we can't trust them at all to stop fascism or repair its damage. We should probably be pushing progressive democrats to start a new party with other more left people (though I'd fully expect republicans and the remaining democrats to team up and destroy their campaign so idk)
Problem is the media, and people who take everything it says for granted.
Just in that one comment alone you’ve mentioned the liberals, the marginalised, the progressives, the fascists, the republicans, and the democrats. And that’s why I’m apprehensive that adding another noun in that list is going to make things better… the left needs to consolidate to a new centre for the left, not fracture into another direction that delays consolidation further.
"I just don’t think this is the time to overhaul the whole system"
how do you contend encouraging political stability overhauling the system?
"the first priority should be to steady the ship.
steadying the ship is literally what this protest is about, providing stability while the executive branch is trying to conquer and invalidate the judicial and legislative.branches.
"You can’t fix things if you’re just struggling to stay afloat."
yes you can. That's what SOS calls, bilge pumps, pontoons, tar, patches and welds are for, to fix problens on boats.
you're advocating to give up and sink when you can repair things.
ridiculous.
"Fixing things requires a certain level of stability."
the necessary level of stability is far below what you clearly misunderstand.
We have that stability, what we need is political, legal and judicial actions liked the ones happening every day now fighting against the executive branch.
The literal nationwide protests by tens of thousands of citizens, judges, politicians and lawyers constitute that saving grace.
Be me
Paramedic
Patient is very sick, circling the drain
Oh God oh fuck I can't treat them and stabilize them, they're unstable
haha, great example.
"Sadly, there's nothing we can do. Our training, available equipment, medications and infrastructure are only for stable patients."
Send it BLS next time.
Dude, that's all they ever send.
You vote in Dems, they will just delay the inevitable. You need something more...radical. A leftist Trump.
this article is literally about Bernie Sanders and AOC, the exact opposite force of trump.
you have the paragons you desire and insist you won't support because of the color of their shirts.
too many Americans are such laxy defeatists.
See, your lack of reading comprehension is how I know Lemmy is just bots pretending to be human.
you being ignorant of the concepts behind the buzzwords you are blindly repeating reflects poorly on your own lack of understanding, not that of others.
Harris is better than Trump. But they will never give you freedom, they don't want to. You need something more radical, someone who will shove welfare straight up GOP's ass, and who will say "Yes, we are those monsters that we say we are, the boogeymen you tell your children about". And then, simply assert themselves.
You need a true radical left, one that will tear down everything conservatives find sacred, instead of playing gently with them.
Then, and ONLY then, will things change.
"Harris is better than Trump."
...it's demeaning to Harris to say she's better than a rapist. most violent drug addicts are better than a rapist.
"But they will never give you freedom, they don't want to."
I mean, ridiculous.
I know, it's a cool meme right now, but totally ridiculous.
"You need something more radical"
no one brought up Harris until you did .
I'm backing AOC and Bernie; if you don't recognize their radical political nature, you do not understand the first word of what you're talking about.
which, I suppose, evident here:
"Then, and ONLY then, will things change."
things are changing right now, it sucks. you don't need things to change,, you need things to get better. stop looking for radical Solutions when AOC and Bernie are telling you the very normal everyday solutions that take a lot of work to get done.
those solutions work, those Solutions are better education funding, universal healthcare, money out of politics.
it's not fun or a good meme, but those are the real answers and you have two people who are telling you what to do and how to do it if you really care about making things better.
I didn't say not to back AOC and Bernie, they are exactly what I meant. There you go into combat mode like a bot. Once you are convinced that someone is on the "other" side, you just start hallucinating things about them, unable to turn off your combat mode.
I don't care about your hallucinations or your combat mode.
All you have to do is thoughtfully respond with accurate comments, and then you won't get turned around by your "combat mode".
If you agree with me, then don't pretend I said things I didn't to argue against them.
just say you agree or be quiet.
So when is the time? The midterms? The presidential election?
Reforming the democrats in four easy steps:
Now's not the time
Not this year
This is really a bad time, okay?
Definitely not this year, are you crazy?
It's a sign of corruption and rigging
political parties?
how?
Having only two parties cycling in power for a century is a sign of corruption and rigging
america has the oldest and worst constitutional system
Rather a replacement
Replacing institutions externally isn’t nearly as easy as rebuilding them internally. A new party in a country where a vast majority votes along traditional family lines is not going to gain any momentum in the time frame that the US needs to correct course. They’re a lot better rebuilding dems internally and keeping the existing external branding. It’s the internet so here’s my uneducated and uninformed opinion: a more progressive offshoot of the Democratic Party external to it only makes sense if the Dems win a few elections on the trot. Otherwise it’s just going to be the same as cutting one’s nose to spite their own face.
The reason we have arrived here is because no one wants to do the hard work of MAKING a functional society. We all do JUST BARELY ENOUGH for it all to not fall apart, do everything the easiest way possible, never mind the results being shit.
Obviously it would be easier to reorganize the Dems. But it would be poisoned from the beginning.
Right? The two parties we have are doing such a fantastic job representing the people already, why break from the status quo now?
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