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Everyone covering for Biden enabled the return of trump. Brokenass country
Biden was the best president since Jimmy Carter and with Harris as the VP he'd still be doing a better job than what we have now.
Harris and Walz would be amazing but the voters decided Trump is the better choice.
His administration was great; he was not. He has been mentally inept for years, funded what was (and still is) a genocide, and refused to keep his one term promise. Biden even has had the gall to say he would have done better than Kamala after every public appearance where he shit the bed. Biden was and is a piece of shit and it is because of him we are dealing with trump again. He did have competent people in his administration doing good work(miss you Lina Khan). Harris & Walz never had an opportunity because Biden
He took the shitty situation that the country and world was in and turned it around.
He was not and he is not a piece of shit and Trump getting back in is squarely on the shoulders of the people who voted Trump in or decided not to vote.
The world and the country would be in a better place right now almost everywhere if he won again.
Anyone could turn around from what trump did in his 1st term. Yes, the world would be better if he won, but that’s the irony. Biden’s ego delivered another trump victory. It sucks but that’s what happened. If he can’t deliver a clear message, he is not the person that’s going to defeat a lifelong con man. Blaming voters doesn’t win elections and isn’t a path forward. Biden was and is shit for his role in the Gaza genocide alone
And now things are worse there too.
Being a single issue voter on the Gaza topic just makes the world a worse place.
The question you're trying to dodge was "is Biden a piece of shit for enabling a genocide" not "is Trump worse".
Usually if you agree with 80% of what someone does you call them an ally.
With some on the left if you don't agree with 99.9% of what they do then they're an enemy and it makes them useless as a political bloc.
No matter how tough the single issue is you've got to look at the full picture and make a choice from there which I have.
Biden is not a piece of shit and Trump is making the situation worse and the fault lays on people who voted for Trump or chose to stay home.
So someone who enables genocide is not, in your moral framework, a piece of shit. Full stop. Not even a "lesser evil" argument, just straight out not-evil.
Good that we've got that definitively stated.
I just posted this but it's worth repeating.
Does it matter how morally bankrupt the 20% is?
Asking before I pose any analogies you might think is unfair
It can’t be any more unfair then the purity testing the left puts all of their own through.
Idk man. If, just as an example, Biden "shot someone in the middle of 5th avenue", i think it would be hubris to expect him not to lose any voters
You can call that 'purity testing' if you want, but I'd say that the expectation for it to have no effect is just wishful thinking.
You dont understand its actually really important that I be able to ignore the genocide and operate as if it isnt happening otherwise youre purity testing me and I cant accept being called a bad person for handwaving it away. This is why "the left" is so divided, too many people hung up on the genocide. What happened to imperfect allies! /s
It seems it’s a bigger problem now though.
Blame the two party system which make people switch between the two bad options till the worst happen and the worst of the worst candidate finally won
Personally I blame the voters and non-voters.
I also blame the voters for voting for the two genocidal parties
Genocide has quickly become the biggest thought and conversation ending cliché among the left.
Gotta draw the line somewhere, and the left decided that genocide is that hard line that under no circumstances should be crossed.
If you don't draw the line at genocide, then where exactly do you draw the line?
Nah the left backed double genocide and there’s blood on their morally pure hands.
When the single issue is a genocide that the USA is fully complicit with it is well worth it .
Not when there were two options on the election. One of two people were going to win and a performative vote for neither was as good as a vote for Trump. I agree that Biden was not a good person and his complacency in genocide is atrocious, but he would have been better now than Trump is.
There was two options because the majority of Americans decided so for being fine with a two party system for decade if not more than a century . You can't blame third party voters which even if they all voted for Harris she would still lost for wanting change
For Americans yes, for Gaza not all all. Trump being vocal about ethnic cleansing plan make you think he is a lot worse but the USA was never going to oppose Israel. Facts on the group is that the USA been giving billions dollars to Israel and unlimited diplomatic support no matter who is in charge. Democrats can't keep saying over and over about how Biden was trying to hard to stop the war , it won't make it true when no real pressure was done with actions supporting it.
We already forgot about Bush war crimes and don't want it to happen again. Don't think I will forget that trump continued support the genocide when he is out either.
There were two options because the US has a FPtP voting system that always devolves to a two party system. The American voters didn't decide to go two part as a whole, it was predetermined.
I can absolutely blame third party and non voters. Everyone of them was complacent with a Trump victory, because unless they're completely ignorant, that was the known outcome. Doesn't matter how you want to paint it, that's the reality.
Keep lying yourself, keep complain, keep blaming third party voters and let the United Snake self destruct itself.
The reality is that third party voters has zero real effect on the ground about Harris losing . No amount of blaming will change that.
If you don't want to remind people about Biden complicity it's your choice but don;t tell other what to say
Maybe you've not read anything else I've posted. Biden is a POS and his complacency is disgusting. Trump is worse. If every 3rd party voter voted Harris, she would have won the popular vote and district depending, maybe the electoral as well. Everyone of them is also to blame. Whatever you need to tell yourself to sleep at night, go ahead, but third party and non voters were complacent with a trump presidency. If they weren't, they'd have voted for Harris. Doesn't matter what hoops you jump through to justify, reality is reality, unless your into "alternate facts" like more typical Trump supporters.
I been talking with multiple users on the post. I may get confused in certain points , forget some etc.
Lol it is you who do alternate facts. If every 3rd party voters voted harris she would still lost popular vote.
Just like cult follower you can't see facts
What's 75,000,000 + 2,800,000? Is it more than 77,300,000?
Math is hard for some people, and to those of you that struggle with it (the answer is yes, 77.8 million is more than 77.3 million) it may seem like alternative facts, but really, it's elementary level research and math.
https://www.presidency.ucsb.edu/statistics/elections/2024
This feels like talking to anti-abortionist.
'When the issue is killing babies there's nothing to talk about.'
Don't compare abortion to genocide
I'm making a point about single issue voters.
Genocide aka mass murdering a whole population or losing certain rights which is worst?
Probably not being able to understand the point.
Abolitionist, more like.
Maybe the temperance movement.
Lemme splain:
He expanded the IRS with, what, 84,000 agents?....under the guise of going after all the crooked billionaires. Everyone cheered!!! Then he set them against anyone who deposited $600.
The IRS immediately started harassing me for money that I absolutely DO NOT FUCKING OWE because that goddamn asshole told everyone to go out and justify their paycheck.
He didnt change any of the tax loopholes for billionaires. He attacked the working class instead.
He has ALWAYS been a right wing conservative, and he's a fucking demented asshole who should NEVER have been allowed near any nomination stage.
And he didnt win the nom in 2020. He was second to last ahead of Bloomberg. That shit was rigged because "its his turn! Remember obama??!!"
Then he REFUSED to defend the country from criminals and terrorists.
FUCK
JOE
BIDEN
His admin got a lot of good shit done and I think history will show it as one of the best presidencies in the past 30+ years, but Biden was and is a PoS for being complacent with genocide. I voted for the same complacent Harris and would have done the same for Biden because Trump was and is worse, but Trump being king of the shit pile doesn't absolve Biden's shittiness.
Voters and non voters are 100% to blame for Trump being POTUS, but that and Biden's admins accomplishments have no bearing on the quality of person that Biden is and was.
Biden continued the same policies every president had before him on Israel.
Genocide has become the left’s thought and conversation ending cliché.
Every president prior to Biden wasn't facing a full genocide in Palestine. I'm not saying it was sunshine and rainbows before, but it was full invasion genocide during Biden's tenure. The situation was very different, way worse, and while things should have been different for every president before Biden, he should have been better. He wasn't, and that's why he's a POS.
Also, the actions of other presidents has no bearing on Biden as a person. They were all independently also trash for many of their policies. They aren't mutually exclusive.
Why are you so hard on downplaying genocide? It should be a main topic in every conversation about US politics, because it's heinous. Like I've said, I voted for the lesser of two evils in the last two elections, I would have voted for Biden if it were him, but it doesn't excuse his actions.
This is the updated version of ‘are you still beating your wife?’
This is the exact same as the anti-abortion activists screeching about the wholesale murder of babies.
I wish the world was as black and white as you desperately want it to be but if you scratch the surface you realize that it’s very complicated and nuanced and messy.
This isn't a single issue voter thing. This is condemning genocide and the people that enable it. It's not at all like anti abortion, because an abortion isn't murder while slaughtering living humans is. People that didn't vote for Biden on the grounds of Palestine are idiots, and I know they exist, but that's not what we're debating. We're debating the character of Joe Biden, genocide enabler.
If you don't think the genocide is a black and white issue, you're a fucking psycho. If you think that the genocide in Palestine is justified, you maybe had an argument for the first couple of days following the Hamas attack, but the moment it publicly went from trying to get back hostages to carpet bombing hospitals, shooting children, and blocking side to create a famine, you have nothing. That is black and white.
It’s thinking like that that makes wedge issues so effective.
I don’t think the genocide is justified but I think Biden was handling it much better then Trump currently is.
I agree with you, Biden did handle it better, albeit marginally, but what he did (or didn't) do, still makes him a shit person, just less shitty than the alternative. That's why I voted for Harris and would have voted for him.
Best President since Jimmy Carter is a low, low bar. We forget that Carter was a neo-liberal who threw labor under the bus. Because the Presidents since have been so right-wing, he looks like a leftist in the rear view. And throwing the working classes under the bus is one of the major reasons we're here now.
None of that was a sales pitch