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[–] [email protected] 80 points 1 week ago (4 children)

They don't believe anyone under a certain income pays taxes. "Taxpayer" just means "upper income tax bracket" in their mind.

[–] [email protected] 23 points 1 week ago

Oddly enough, when it comes to less dense suburbs with richer people in them, the cost to the city is always more than those people pay in taxes. They pay more but they’re actually using poorer people’s taxes to pay for their shitty “neighbourhoods”, in quotes because the word implies a level of community they could only dream of.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 1 week ago

Also brown people don’t pay taxes in their fantasy world. It’s just another racist dog whistle.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 week ago (5 children)

... people under a certain income level don't pay any taxes

[–] [email protected] 65 points 1 week ago (2 children)

They certainly pay sales taxes, possibly property taxes too, they probably have to pay fines because the cops love to prey on the poor, and there's also fees to use government services. That's all taxes.

But there's this concentrated attempt to denigrate people with lower income as useless eaters that don't contribute to society, and so they don't think any of that counts.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 1 week ago (3 children)

Totally fair. I wasn't thinking about all the taxes the government steals from us, just the income tax

[–] [email protected] 29 points 1 week ago

Right, that's the point of the "taxpayer" dog whistle. It trains people to think that poor people don't pay taxes, and implies they're lesser members of society because of it.

[–] [email protected] 28 points 1 week ago (1 children)

taxes the government steals from us

No it's not the government that is stealing from us its the Uber wealthy that use our tax money (that should be going to the greater good of the citizens of the country) for their own gain.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (1 children)

So I'm aware there is a right-libertarian argument at work here that frames all taxes, always, as "stealing". However, there's an argument here that can be used along more democratic socialist lines.

Taxation in representative democracy is legitimate when the democracy itself lives up to the terms. We have come to some kind of consensus as a society on the level of taxation and where that money should go. When we do that, and we say the road is "our road", we mean that in a literal way. A part of the fruits of our labor were diverted to build that road, and we get a say in how it works.

The US is not a democracy that lives up to the term. "Taxation is theft" is correct in this context.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 week ago

As with everything context is key. Taxation is not inherently theft, but in the USA, it absolutely is.

[–] [email protected] 13 points 1 week ago

The poor pay the largest portion of their wages in taxes. They also benefit society far beyond any other social group. It's the wealthy that take the most from the rest of us and pay almost nothing back.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

They're just stupid and meant folks who make millions and billions don't pay their share of taxes

[–] [email protected] 34 points 1 week ago (2 children)

Even if you discount all other forms of taxation, and only focus on income taxes, the sentiment is irrelevant to this particular vote.

His support appears to be concentrated in the middle class. (Median household income in NYC is about 80k, right about the peak of his vote share)

[–] [email protected] 12 points 1 week ago

Thanks for that information, I had no idea

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 week ago

holy shit i want this graph for every election

[–] [email protected] 9 points 1 week ago (1 children)

People with great wealth don't pay taxes. They employ loopholes only available to the wealthy. Btw, almost every state has sales tax, you dipshit.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Way to rage at and insult the guy that already admitted he was wrong. You tool.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 week ago

AlreAdY aDmiTTeD I wAs wRonG

Well, at least your username is half right.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 week ago

You're right, but people over a certain tax bracket are also pretty good at not paying taxes.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 week ago

Okay, they "don't pay taxes", but the government still takes the money and then returns it if they ask for it (i.e. file a tax return). That isn't quite the same as not paying.

Also, you have to be stupidly poor to get all of your taxes returned.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 week ago

Euphemisms like that and "job creators", "wealth creators" are an instant tip-off that whoever's talking is a weaselly venal slimeball.