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How much spacing while stopped at a red light? (lemmy.today)

submitted 20 hours ago by [email protected] to c/[email protected]

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So this has been annoying me lately; drivers leaving excessive spacing when stopped for a red light. I get it, you don't want to be right on the next guys bumper, you should leave space to escape if the guy in front stalls or somebody tries to carjack you. But 2-3 car lengths? It really bugs me when they do it in a left turn lane causing a back up to the travel lane resulting in overall congestion. Or, if they're first at the light, they don't pull up far enough to reach the road sensors that trigger a light change. I haven't been able to isolate to a specific demographic, seems to be young, old, black, white, you name it. Maybe they're just stoned at the wheel. I'm tempted to roll down my window and ask 'wtf'? I'm in the Northeast US. Has anybody else witnessed this?

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[–] [email protected] 17 points 20 hours ago (1 children)

Nice advice to fail a driving test.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 19 hours ago (5 children)

No it isn't, you're not required by law to use a turn signal in a turn only lane. If I was giving a driving test I'd fail you for using a turn signal in the turn only lane as it demonstrates you don't know the law.

[–] [email protected] 16 points 19 hours ago (1 children)

I was a Driver Examiner in the Province of Ontario.
You wouldn't fail for this, but it is an infraction.
You must ALWAYS SIGNAL YOUR INTENTION.

Also, cite this 'law' you pulled from your ass.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 19 hours ago (3 children)

Ah, OK might be a Canadian thing then. There is no law in the US that requires usage of a turn signal in a turn only lane. I didn't pull a law from my ass, you're pulling one from yours, or rather I'm talking about US law and it seems you're talking about Canadian.

[–] [email protected] 15 points 19 hours ago

It seems you're a shitty driver in every country.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 17 hours ago

Wrong.

Minnesota (this is a state in the US) traffic code 169.19 Subd. 5 Signal to turn:

A signal of intention to turn right or left shall be given continuously during not less than the last 100 feet traveled by the vehicle before turning. A person whose vehicle is exiting a roundabout is exempt from this subdivision.

[–] [email protected] 14 points 19 hours ago

A law not saying you need to, is not the same as a law saying you need not to.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 17 hours ago

Wrong.

Minnesota (this is a state in the US) traffic code 169.19 Subd. 5 Signal to turn:

[–] [email protected] 7 points 19 hours ago (1 children)

There isn't a federal law on turn signal use that I can find and it's left up to the individual states. Every law I looked at said you have to have a continuous signal before the turn and when turning into a different lane. I did not see any exceptions listed anywhere, including turn lanes.

When turning from a turn lane, to a different lane, that is a change of lane and therefore falls under the law. If you have any other evidence to the contrary or happen to live in a state that I didn't check where that is an exception, I and the others here would love if you'd source that. If you can't, then you're just making shit up and should just take the "L".

[–] [email protected] 1 points 12 hours ago (1 children)

The only law in my state that requires usage of turn signals states this:

No person may turn a vehicle from a direct course or move right or left upon a highway unless and until such movement can be made with reasonable safety, and then only after giving an appropriate signal in the manner hereinafter provided, in the event any other vehicle may be affected by the movement.

The key there is "direct course". The direct course in a dedicated turn lane is the turn, so no signal is required. If it's a turn or straight lane it is required as in that case the direct course is straight.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 4 hours ago

You conveniently left out the rest of the law...

(1) No person may turn a vehicle from a direct course or move right or left upon a highway unless and until such movement can be made with reasonable safety, and then only after giving an appropriate signal in the manner hereinafter provided, in the event any other vehicle may be affected by the movement.
(2) A signal of intention to turn right or left must be given continuously during not less than the last 100 feet traveled by the vehicle before turning, except that such a signal by hand or arm need not be given continuously by a bicyclist if the hand is needed in the control or operation of the bicycle.
(3) No person may stop or suddenly decrease the speed of a vehicle without first giving an appropriate signal in the manner provided herein to the driver of any vehicle immediately to the rear, when there is opportunity to give such signal.
(4) The signals provided for in s. 316.156 shall be used to indicate an intention to turn, to overtake, or to pass a vehicle and may not, except as provided in s. 316.2397, be flashed on one side only on a parked or disabled vehicle or flashed as a courtesy or “do pass” signal to operators of other vehicles approaching from the rear. (5) A violation of this section is a noncriminal traffic infraction, punishable as a moving violation as provided in chapter 318.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 19 hours ago (1 children)

Cite this 'law'.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 19 hours ago (1 children)

What law, that's the point, no law requires usage of a turn signal in a turn only lane. There is no law that requires that and a driving test is testing that you're following the laws. It's the same as if you turned on your turn signal in a straight lane and then didn't change lanes.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 19 hours ago (1 children)

So, is there a law or not, or are you simply full of shit?

[–] [email protected] 1 points 19 hours ago (1 children)

You can't prove a negative. You cite the law that says you need to use a turn signal in a turn only lane. Or are you full of shit?

[–] [email protected] 3 points 17 hours ago

Minnesota (this is a state in the US) traffic code 169.19 Subd. 5 Signal to turn:

You've been wrong every time you've said you don't need to signal.