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Liberals aren't leftists, Clyde. They are literally the centrists (ie, confused right-wingers) the meme is referring to.
No true Scotsman fallacy.
Fallacy Fallacy. Simply naming a fallacy doesn't mean the argument is wrong. Recognizing fallacies help you know where to attack an invalid argument, they don't attack it for you.
If someone said I wasn't a true Scotsman simply because I have no Scottish heritage and have never been to Scotland they would be correct. It's not a fallacy when the person in question doesn't meet the definition of the group. The definition of Leftist is not "to the left of someone else in the room, even if if that person is a full Authoritarian."
I DECLARE LEMMY FALLACY!
You said something on lemmy and I think it's wrong so lemmy fallacy! You're wrong! :P
Hey, I just wanted you to know that you can't just say "fallacy" and expect it to mean something.
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That doesn't apply here, liberals fundamentally aren't leftists. Liberals are centrists.
While I totally agree that liberals are not leftists. Liberals in the US are on the left.
I don't really expect you to learn this, as a self-identifying leftist, because your priors are everything to you, but it is true.
Being left of the far-right does not make one a leftist. Words have meanings.
I would never claim liberals are leftists. Leftists are liberals who failed math
Curious how you came to that conclusion. When I was in the math department in college, most of the smartest students were full-blown communists. Though I'm not sure how you think math factors into it in the first place
Lots of undergrads believe lots of silly shit. My buddy was a conservative til he got his masters in Econ. People grow.
You're the one who implied leftism conflicts with mathematical understanding, which you still haven't justified with any actual reasoning.
Yep! Always makes me laugh.
I guess whatever you are is what happens when you fail basic logic.
Nope
Incompetent in logic and rhetoric both, truly impossible to underestimate.
You can lead a troglodyte to knowledge but you can't make them think.
At some point, the goal stops being trying to reach them, and becomes trying to reach lurkers who might agree with them.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=vjOrOMVFCbs
So the original post was talking world wide. Limiting the scope to a very right wing portion of the world doesn't magically change who's on the Left.
If you have a room full of people saying "Let's form a dictatorship and conquer the world!" and 1 person says "I don't think that's a good idea", that person is not automatically "on the left" just because they are to the left of extremist right wing views.
No they are absolutely not.
It's cute when you guys do Bernie Math to try to make yourselves seem correct.
Condescension: how centrists concede an argument.
So, only /some/ genocide?
Liberalism is the ideology of capitalism.
Leftist politics reject capitalism.
Liberalism is only left compared to conservatism, but both are on the right wing.
It doesn't get any simpler than this, Clyde - liberals aren’t leftists.
Never has been. Never will be.
A quick Google search failed to inform me what a "clyde-liberal" is. Would you please explain?
"Clyde" is you - "liberal" is also you.
Do the math.
Lmao what? Liberals vote in favor of right wing economic policies. Scotsman fallacy doesn't even apply here