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We don't even know the actual Gaza death toll. And we also have to remember that it is the Netanyahu regime doing the counterattack, not the people of Israel.
Thank you. Most Israelis do not support the war or their fascist government.
States rarely do what their people want. Usually this is especially the case with existential threats like war & the climate catastrophe.
Blame the State, not the people. Help the people overthrow the State. BDS.
What Israelis Think of the War With Hamas: Polls (Nov 10, 2023):
Bullshit on the don't support the government he has been in power for 16 years obviously he is getting voted in.
Do you realize what happened to the last leftist leader that tried to make peace with Palestine? The current president called him a Nazi and he was assassinated by a right extremist Israeli.
The people want to elect a leader, but no leader is willing to run because they know the consequence of doing so.
It's not so simple as "vote" in a police State.
Fuck Hamas and Fuck Israel both.
As far as I know there is only one Jewish person that I have ever met that was anything but friendly and joyful.
Tbf that one guys is on the internet though, so I don’t think they count.
Oh so are able to distinguish Palestinians and Hamas - but are not able to do the same for Israel?
Fine if you want to nitpick that much, even though I clearly stated I have no problem with any Jewish people.
Fuck the current Israeli government, anyone who voted for them, anyone who will continue to vote for them, anyone who has supported them and anyone who will support them in the future, as well as anyone who’s supported, directly or implicitly, any of the aforementioned persons or groups.
Better?
Now will you say the same?
Displacement happened because Palestinians declared war on Israel and lost. Read up on the history of the massacres in mandatory Palestine, slaughtering of Jews was what started this conflict in earnest and made a one state solution impossible.
Palestinian Arabs were doing this shit long before any colonization happened, until that point the Jews were legally buying land.
It’s pretty well known that we (America) ended up creating isis.
We actually did it in the same way as Israel, we just spread our deaths out longer.
We aren’t perfect, far from it, so you should learn from our actions, instead of imitating them.
I grew up just as all of it started, high school when 9/11 happened.
I’ve already rode the ride you’re about to start,
and I recommend you get off of it.
You are spreading the story that Israel created Hamas by Colonizing - when did the US colonize Iraq? You should get your story straight.
What are you talking about? What ride „I“ am about to start?
Also I said nothing nor implied anything about colonizing.
That is in the West Bank, not gaza, and is its own can of worms.
Plus colonizing is a very loaded term that I am not comfortable using at this point.
We can stick with settlements.
I meant all of the innocents we killed in the name of vengeance.
That, that is what we did that Israel is doing.
Are you not Israeli?
With all the dick-riding and bootlicking you do for them I just assumed you were.
The ride of blood and revenge, y’all/they have dipped your toes in the water of wanton massacres of brown people and the killing of innocents, now you are trying to dive into the deep end.
Knowing that your money and your people are committing atrocities and killing innocents in the name of “justice”.
Doesn’t “Never Again” mean “Never Again” or are we attaching qualifiers to it?
Netanyahu likes to throw up WWII and the Firebombing of Dresden and the hitting of that children’s hospital.
He just happens to neglect the fact that we have smart bombs and the ability to turn dumb bombs into smart bombs.
Hell here in America we got bored of building the biggest bombs so we built an assassination bomb with fucking swords on it just to show how accurate we can be.
If y’all don’t want to be called a terrorist nation, then stop using terroristic tactics?
Seems easy enough to me.
We expect more from civil societies than we do from terrorists.
It is fucking hilarious every time I hear someone say “Well Hamas…” because they are directly comparing Israeli and Hamas like we should even consider what a terrorist organization is doing to what a “Civilized Nation” is doing.
Just because Hamas is doing something bad, does not mean that Israel gets to as well.
If you are doing bad guy things, then you are a bad guy, just not the worst one.
Just don’t try to pretend you are the good guy at the same time.
There’s my rant, I usually browse kbin logged out so I don’t end up fighting with people.
If you are Jewish, know that we have no beef.
If you are Israeli, i understand your feelings, I just don’t agree with your countries actions.
Y’all have killed a lot of innocents and just bred your Next Big Problem.
Shabbat Shalom and may all of your innocents make it home to their homes before Hanukkah to be with their families.
I wish Passover would have been closer, I like the symbolism of people being protected to freedom more than a celebration of a violent revolt.
I suppose history doesn’t repeat itself, but it sure follows the same lines.
I knew from the start that you didn’t want to discuss and only peddle your antisimetic bullshit - but it is nice to see you finally admitting to it openly.
I only wish you would be able to keep the stuff you vomit into the Internet shorter - it is rather boring to read.
The fact that that is what you took from that shows that you do not care about anything except pushing your cause.
What Hamas did was horrible and there is nothing that can ever EVER make it right or justified in any way.
Every single one of us was with you when this started, anyone who isn’t a hate filled idiot anyway.
Then you guys killed a ton of innocents.
That is what changed it, and I understand they were human shields, but how you treat human shields is important.
Once again, I hope that all of your people are home in time for the holidays.
Pushing my cause? And what would that be? Am I one of the „Jews behind the scenes“ that pulls all the strings or am I just a bought shill? Maybe both?
I am an European Atheist and my personal take on Religion is closer to Christopher Hitchens than Richard Dawkins.
That is a Lie and you know it. Just to pick one example: Not even UN women cared about all the rapes and murders that happened on October 7th.
Yeah, when Israel starts to defend itself there are always calls for it to lie down and just take the attacks to (finally) die.
I always hear those highly moral people saying that civilian casualties are too high - but I have yet to find ONE that can explain what Israel actually could do better while fighting an asymmetrical war against a terror organization that hides among civilians and fights in civilian clothing. Please - indulge me / us.
Short History excursion: The UN partitioned Palestine and therefore created Israel. Directly after this „act“ the UN dropped the whole issue like a hot potato and left Israel alone to deal with the Palestinians. It would have been the UNs job to deal with the Palestinians (not just by creating UNRWA), but they just didn’t. Israel had to do it - just to survive. Nothing the Israelis did was ever good enough for the UN - the UN just let the Israelis do the „dirty“ work FOR the UN and then criticized the shit out of Israel.
Personally I would have asked for a UN peacekeeping service.
I guess those ladies at the UN are some of the hate filled idiots I was talking about, but I will change it since I can not personally speak for all of them.
In the beginning they had my full support and sympathy, then they started killing all the kids as “collateral damage.”
If they don’t replace ok genocide supporting joe here in America, then I guess for the first time in my adult life I just won’t vote for president and just keep my mouth shut for the next 4 years.
My vote will not go towards celebrating genocide or genocide “lite”
As far as asymmetrical warfare goes, they have to pick between killing innocents and risking themselves.
Just like American cops, if you are too much of a coward to put your life on the line for innocents in a job that requires it, I will continue to judge you.
I will judge anyone who thinks that their life is more important any child’s life, short of another child.
Honestly, I judge the old people that the Israelis got back for not insisting that they stay and another child be set free.
There is a good chance that they had no option though, so I can’t hold it against them too much.
In that vein and before you start.
Fuck Hamas and anyone who uses a human shield.