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I crack up at all the people on Lemmy insisting that this isn't pirating or about pirating. Yes it is. I pirate too, don't bullshit me guys. This isn't about Nintendo being an evil company, cause they keep their games exclusive, just like Microsoft does with PC games and nobody bitches. This isn't about Nintendo being selfish, it's about people who want to copy switch games, mod them, share them, and act as if it's a thing the copyright holder should be happy about lol
Again I pirate, so let's be honest, this whole thing is about ways to easily pirate and backup switch games, not the integrity of gaming.
Ummm.... If you own the game, making backups is perfectly legal. This isn't piracy, this is hacking. I agree that most movie and game downloading IS PIRACY. This is not. It's piracy if someone rips the files and distributes it. If they rip it for themselves, it's not.
So yeah, it actually is a murky area here. You'd be going after everyone under the assumption of illegal activity vs actually targeting those commiting piracy.
The point is that this is not going to stop with someone backing up their games. Come on now let's be honest. The internet is full of game ROMS that are "for backup only" again, come the fuck on. I'm not against pirating, but to say this isn't it is just silly lol
Then it should be Nintendo's problem to come up with a business model that doesn't infringe upon their customers' property rights, not society's problem to give up everybody's rights just to enable Nintendo's DRM-based business model!
It's kind of condescending to assume everyone does the same thing you do. Even if it's a majority.
Or are you assuming that no one backs up media for the sake of backing it up? Cause that's... pretty nearsighted.
I would say less than 1% of gamers backup their games
Based on what evidence? Your emotions?
And? I'd say less than 1% pirate. I can throw in random unfounded metrics too. Still doesn't change the point. Just because you don't doesn't mean someone else won't. Which again isn't even the point of the article.
The point is someone could backup their game and sell it. The buyer being unaware it would ban their console.
Then you punish the actual criminals, not everyone.
There are plenty of us who prefer the steam deck over the switch. You can pull the encryption keys from your own console and the roms from your own games and play them there. There are numerous tutorials to do so.
People use knives to stab people. Should we ban all knives?
You're being hyperbolic and narrow-minded.
Backing up a game is legal. End of story. There's plenty of legal precedent there already. So you're literally arguing that the law is not the law because of your emotional feelings.
You want to change that? Change the law. Stop being a jackass on social here tho spouting bad takes when you just don't agree.
Actually in plenty countries, plenty types of knives are not legal to carry because their primary purpose (of the type) is in attacking people, which is never a valid reason to have it as a result.
Much like how with the US exception, most industrialized nations don't allow free ownership of most guns.
So if anything, that's a bad argument to make as there's a lot of precedent suggesting banning such dumping devices entirely might be warranted. I wouldn't support that, but the argument you try to use as a defense exactly supports a ban.
Mind you, the ban would be on buying/owning/importing such a device, not in the actual dumping. As in, you are legally allowed to dump your games, only you cannot acquire the device to do so as it has been shown to be primarily meant to be used for illegal purposes (usually this would mean there are privosion so that for scientific/research purposes you can acquire them).
An example would be the R4 import/purchase ban in a few countries.
I support things being hackable, dumpable, flashable, whatever. I also support piracy. But those two aren't as interlinked as you want them to be.
Hacking because it's ownership. Do what you want with the things that you own. Piracy because fuck 'em. That's what happens when you make everything digital - it becomes much, much easier to acquire for free.
The majority of people pirate, but insofar as there is a single person who wants to do literally anything else with their hacked system, then it isn't exclusively about pirating, and the narrative to condemn the entire practice of hacking as being solely about pirating is nothing more than another corporation trying to make it harder for people to modify their own property as they see fit.
I think buddy is asking for honesty in the discussion. If your goal is piracy, just say so, don't hide behind that one person who "wants to do literally anything else".
You're right, generally speaking, but most of us don't fit into that category.
Don't fight for yourself, fight for the community.
It doesn't matter what I want, it matters what the community as a whole wants, and we want more than just pirating. Nobody's hiding, we're just not missing the forest for the trees; it's not honesty in discussion to boil and entire group of people down to the desires of just the few people in this thread, it's just being self-centered.
If you want to talk about what you as an individual want, feel free, but don't act like it's the definitive thing to discuss when the community is greater than all of us.
That'll never happen so long as there's the possibility of being sued for admitting you're doing something that might be illegal. It's simply not worth the risk to most people.
Really?
In the context of people who hack their systems? I'd certainly say so.
Ah, in that scope, I see.
All the popular switch games have already been dumped & shared online. The cart that lets you download and play those came out MONTHS ago.
THIS cart is so you can download and backup your OWN Switch games, something I want just so I don't lose my save data. Thanks for loudly assuring everyone that you know fuck-all about any of this though!
Isn’t all your saved data stored in the device and backed up to the cloud? What games store saved data in the carts?
Gotta pay for cloud saves and trust Nintendo to keep them as long as I might want them, so ... no.
If it was about pirating, you wouldn’t need the dumper, you could just download the already dumped game online
It’s also about how apparently games run better from a rom using an emulator on a switch rather than through the native software of the switch itself. It’s crazy.
That's likely due to the Switch throttling itself a fair bit in handheld mode, to avoid overheating and spending too much battery power.
Running an emulator on Linux likely uncaps the performance.
You mean you need a game cartridge and a Nintendo system to play a Nintendo game? Shocked, just like every console ever made, even up till now which require license verification within the game code?? Shocked.
But you want to go around Nintendo so you can "backup" and share the game and hack it and spread it to everyone for free, but that's not pirating?? Dude I'm pro pirating, but to call this anything but pirating is such a lie
This comment explains pretty well about how this is going to potentially affect legitimate users, credit to neoman4426
This is the wrong crowd for that, mate. I’ve gone through this rodeo on Lemmy too many times and you’re just going to get dishonest people pretending that what they’re doing isn’t stealing. It’ll be everything from “preservation of games” to “it’s just like renting from a library” and all the extremes of dishonesty.
No one here’s going to be honest about it.
You're being just as dishonest as the people you accuse in two different ways: there are people already in the replies to this comment admitting to the same things, as well as making unverified claims that "they're actually pirating, they just won't admit it"
Didn't bother reading the whole thing huh, about how this can effect people that legally buy used games?
I am mixed on what you're saying.
As everyone is saying, it doesn't matter if the primary purpose of this is piracy, because this enables legal behavior through the same process as the piracy. You cannot say that this is illegal because it is not piracy until you take the output of this and do something else with it.
But also it sucks that we have to discuss these things with false pretense to avoid Youtube content bans and stuff like that.
But that is the reality of the world we live in, and Nintendo DOES suck and IS an evil company when it comes to consumers rights.
For the record, I do not pirate anything presently. At a certain point in my life I decided that I could go without things or buy them. But I don't judge for people making the opposite choice.
I feel like devices like this aren't really under a false pretense though. Most people who would pirate games like this probably wouldn't buy a third party device so they can copy a friend's cartridge so they can emulate it, they'd more likely just download it and skip the middle man.
The only real way I see it being used primarily for piracy is in areas where Internet activity is heavily monitored/restricted, or broadband isn't available/accessible. Otherwise a 1 month subscription to a VPN and a few gigabyte of Internet usage is far cheaper and easier to a pirate.
Some people just want to mod a game they love and play it again. There's more than one reason to use these tools.
I'll join you in the downvotes and say I one hundred percent agree with you here.
People will go on and on about legitimate issues but downvote tooth and nail when you correctly day this was developed and sold primary for piracy.
And let's face it, this is built and sold for mainly piracy with the very few who are using it for legitimate uses like preservation.
I agree. it's always hidden under "backup" but reality is piracy. I pirate too.
Wow you are biased. Piracy is a service problem. Therefore platforms with more service issues become targets for more advanced and rampant piracy. Nintendo basically deserved it. Not an honest people's problem that it takes going that far to make the platform act as user friendly as they expected it to by default in the first place.
You'll burn for this here.
I guess it depends on what you call pirating. Is it okay for me to emulate switch games I own on my steamdeck? It prevents me from having to carry around two devices, and in some cases the games run better. I that situation I've paid everyone I'm supposed to.