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Please, for the love of God, VOTE!
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Candidate 2: I’m going to give guns and money to the person killing ponies but tell them they shouldn’t do it.
Leftist: Either way ponies are going to be killed. Let’s try something different.
Centrist: Noooo, you have to vote for the proxy pony killer who can’t use his position to do anything or else you’ll get a pony killer in power who’ll use his position to do everything.
"Something different" here meaning "handing over the position to the worse of the two options".
Acting like candidate 2 is at all a good option either.
Would you rather get stabbed in the finger or stabbed in the eye?
I’d rather stab the person trying to stab me anywhere.
You're getting stabbed whatever happens.
Would you rather get stabbed in the finger or stabbed in the eye?
Neither.
There is always other options, you just have to take them.
There aren't. There are only two possible outcomes.
Stabbed in the finger or stabbed in the eye?
Stabbed in the eye it is then.
Have fun losing more rights instead of compromising on Biden becsuse he isn't 100% perfect.
Have fun refusing to admit Biden is flawed.
Surely the status quo is the solution to stopping Trump and the growing threat of the right.
I have not seen a single person try and claim that Biden isn't flawed. It's entirely possible to criticize him and still vote for him given the only other possibility. Until we get away from FPTP voting there is only two options for president in the general election. You wont get away from FPTP voting until you can overrule the GOP in Congress. You cannot do that without winning elections.
The people you're arguing with aren't devoted to Biden. He's simply the only way we can keep Trump from retaking office at this moment. He's also done a lot of good things during his term. I'd argue he's been a net benefit to the country given the context.
We absolutely need to primary Biden and everyone like him, that work has to be done but that shit takes work and time. It's a lot easier to do when we can bring more people into the tent. Painting both parties as equally bad and not worthwhile of your vote is literally making it harder to reform the Democratic Party and actually achieve the things progressives are fighting for.
Saying he isn't 100% perfect is either what you mean by flawed or you have a ridiculously high level of perfection to call him flawed.
Must be the latter.
Correct. Biden winning the election will stop Trump winning the election.
Stopping Trump will do more to stop the growing threat of the right than not stopping Trump.
He was stopped last election yet the threat has only grown.
The threat didn’t start with him and it won’t stop with him. The threat will exist as long as living conditions continue to deteriorate and people seek more extreme politicians in the hope of something changing. Doesn’t matter how misplaced their thoughts on what the problems are.
If Trump loses in 2024, the threat of him becoming president again will be gone. He's old, fat and in decline.
lmao
The third option is to reject the United States and replace it with something that isn't an oligarchy
So, the eye
Do y'all just, sincerely not understand what "lesser evil" means? Yes, the lesser evil is still bad. We know. That's what "evil" means. Both options suck, one sucks measurably more, so you choose the one that is less bad.
None of these "Both sides!" Leftists ever seem to offer specific or workable alternatives. It's always something vague like "Have our voices be heard, take back the country from the oligarchs!" And I feel that, but like, how? What specific candidate or action is going to prevent both from winning?
You said it so perfectly and I never realized it. "If you elect our guy, he won't be able to do anything, but at least it's better than if you elect the other guy. If you elect the other guy, somehow he'll be able to do everything he wants. But vote for our impotent guy instead. It's safe!"
Um what?
One follows the rules, and the other often doesn't even think there are rules. The difference there isn't hard to suss out. It's like that joke about playing chess with a pigeon.
I want a guy who doesn't think there are rules, and will protect ponies. Why isn't that a possibility
Because not thinking there are rules into adulthood is a pretty self-absorbed trait, which usually doesn't go along with things like empathy and compassion.
There aren't rules. Trump is proof of that
A socialist with that same attitude towards rules, norms, and civility would be the ideal option. That isn't possible under our system. However, a fascist with those views is possible.
And the neoliberal erosion of living standards will just make the fascists more appealing to normal people. So if the fascists don't win in 2024 then they'll win in the near future unless we have a massive expansion of the welfare state that helps median Americans, not just the incredibly poor
You literally can't try something different, in this election. It's physically impossible. Leftists should be channeling this energy to the next election, and building a viable candidate that truly meets their needs.