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They're not right because they numbers didn't go up from conversion. They went up because people could admit who they are without fear of violence. The true number didn't change, we just became capable of getting a more accurate count.
Right, I think this is the point that the above comment is making as well. That the numbers of publicly/out gay people went up because of a more accurate count thanks to a less hostile sociopolitical climate.
I think the point that's being confused in that comment is that the fear mongering was obviously bullshit, and modern bigots pointing at any increase in LGBTQ+ identification nowadays may continue to use those statistics as justification for anti-LGBTQ+ platforms. Instead of engaging that argument that the hate mongers have always known is in bad faith, it's much more to the point nowadays to make them explain what they think is wrong with increased LQBTQ+ identification, or as the original comment put it, "Yeah, and?"
No, it isn't. You responded to a comment about conversion and are making it sound like conversion was successful.
I think they were saying conversion may seem successful to some because of how the numbers look.
Ah, it came across as thinking they were actually right, that conversion was the reason for the increase. I think that misunderstanding is why you're attracting down votes.
I understood you. I don’t think it’s you, there are many who were never trained in deductive reasoning. It sucks because it limits effective communication.
Because it’s not that they were “fight” (sic), but that people aren’t as afraid to be honest.
Yeah, obviously. But autism rates are going up because doctors are better at diagnosis and people are more comfortable being identified as different, which some assholes attribute to vaccines. Of course they’re not going to look at higher rates of LGBTQA+ self identification as a sign that people are more comfortable being themselves, but instead as evidence that CRT or fluoride or whatever is at fault and must be banned.
You tripped in a circle jerk and got taken out of context or just misunderstood and pounced on. I am pretty sure everyone in this chain is pro-LGBT or at the very least not homophobic. When passions are high and people are defending a cause close to them, the internet has them trained to go off on a hair-trigger. I catch myself doing it too. Sometimes it is justified when an actual shithead comes in and says some evil stuff, but the friendly fire can be just as brutal. I got banned from a subreddit (and ended up leaving reddit mostly), because a mod that likely shares ideologies with me permabanned me for "being racist" for using the word "criminal" (which they read as "black"). The one person in my life that means everything to me, is black...I am 99% sure I am not racist, and she would SO TELL ME if I was! 🤣 Don't take it personally, and don't let the overzealous push you away.
"We wouldn't have so much Covid in America if we'd quit testing."
Yeah, that tracks.
My god, the downvotes. Had the same thought. No one was out in the 80s and 90s, I was there. I can see idiots thinking people were converted, hence the rise in numbers.
I think the vast majority of people are saying, "Yeah? And?" People generally don't give a shit any longer. Notice the conservatives aren't banging the gay-hate drum and have pivoted to trans people?
TBF they are often caught banging the gays like drums...they needed a new enemy that they haven't got caught banging repeatedly. So much self-loathing in that party.
What numbers database are you referencing? Is there a GayTaBank somewhere that I need to know about?