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[–] [email protected] 74 points 8 months ago (2 children)

The one on the left is used by people who need to carry things. The one of the right is used by losers.

[–] [email protected] 24 points 8 months ago

Left one carries stuff, right one carries fragile egoes

[–] [email protected] 20 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (4 children)

What about people who need extra room for a child's car seat (they're huge nowadays) and also need to carry stuff the way a truck does?

Edit: I live out in the country and I'm in need of a pickup for carrying loads of stuff. Putting it in the back of my Ford Edge is highly inconvenient as it doesn't fit in one load and messed up the interior (the sides of the trunk are scratched to hell now.

And my point was simply that there are entirely legitimate uses for a pickup truck. 98% of people don't have a legitimate use case, but that didn't mean no one does.

[–] [email protected] 38 points 8 months ago (2 children)

What are you carrying around all day with your child that doesn't fit in a minivan?

[–] [email protected] 24 points 8 months ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 2 points 8 months ago (1 children)

seriously, americans are fucking delusional with what the requirements of life are, 90% of the rest of the world does just fine with regular-sized cars.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 8 months ago

But where will I put my fridge when I move every 3 years for my job?🥺

[–] [email protected] 9 points 8 months ago (4 children)

I live out in the country. We don't get garbage pickup. The garbage dump is very close to my child's daycare. It's 20 minutes away. It's open from 8am to 4:30pm, Monday to Friday. I either bring the garbage with me when I go to daycare, or I have to schedule time off from work to take out garbage.

I have a Ford Edge, so no, a minivan wouldn't work. To be clear, it's not impossible. But a truck would be 10x more convenient.

[–] [email protected] 24 points 8 months ago (2 children)

Thats a reasonable use case for a truck. The majority of hate I have for trucks are for more city based people who claim they totally need it when they maybe move something 2-3 times a year.

That said, a small trailer could probably handle your garbage behind an SUV or capable car. Although it would still require more parking than the truck so the benefits overall are arguable.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 8 months ago (1 children)

This obviously varies based on where you live, but using a trailer where I'm at incurs a ton of extra costs: *Landfill charges extra when using a trailer to bring your trash. *Tollway charges extra for the trailer *State charges annual property tax on the trailer Granted, I have an '04 regular cab Chevy Colorado (before they started making them as huge as half tons of years past), but I'm dreading the day it dies. There are no small pickups available anymore (Santa Few and Maverick's 4.5' bed is worthless for my use case).

[–] [email protected] 6 points 8 months ago (1 children)

I think this argument is a losing battle on this community. It's clear there is no room for nuance or reason.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 8 months ago

You could do what you want for cheaper, and with less impact on the environment. Thats a fact. Thats where you are finding dispute.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 8 months ago (1 children)

A trailer isn't out of the question, it just adds a whole new level of inconvenience. It's extra time to move the car, hook up the trailer, verify the electrical is working (I always check left-right-breaks-4way whenever I connect a trailer), then parking the trailer, disconnecting it, then parking the car. I know it doesn't sound like much, but that time quickly adds up, and it can get 35+ in the summers and -30 in the winters (Celsius). When getting the kid ready to leave for daycare it's easier to load up in the relatively comfortable garage. I know that's a first world problem, but a truck would just simply all of that.

To be clear, I'm not getting a truck because they're as expensive as a sports car now, but the point stands.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 8 months ago (2 children)

Yes you like the convenience of it. Noones saying they aren't convenient. Its not only about your personal convenience, because cars affect everyone nearby.

Theres a reason they cost so much, and will continue to raise as the price gets closer to its actual cost to create and use one.

And I know you know this, because you ended the post saying that if you didnt have the truck now, you wouldn't buy another one. Have you actually thought this through or is it just some automatic cognitive dissonance reaction from owning a truck?

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[–] [email protected] 7 points 8 months ago

And a flat trailer for your Ford would be even more convenient

[–] [email protected] 4 points 8 months ago (4 children)

How size of your truck is compared to Lada Granta? Because my grandparents drove it with driver + 3 adults + child me + stuff including garbage from dacha.

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[–] [email protected] 3 points 8 months ago

how much garbage do you produce on a daily basis that you need a truck to haul it hoo lee

[–] [email protected] 18 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (2 children)

You live out in the country, you clearly didn't grow up in the country.

I grew up in the country, we had a truck with a full sized bed and a bench. You put the baby seat in the middle of the bench, strap it down like you do in the car and a lap belt and you pick up your chicken feed with your kid in the truck. Ain't rocket science here and you don't need to have a crew cab and a worthless short bed to do things out there.

Shit dude, if you're worried about scratches to your vehicle, maybe you should move back to the suburbs.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 8 months ago (1 children)

But I don't have a truck.

if you're worried about scratches to your vehicle,

I said "mess up the interior" with "leaky garage bags". But yes, the inside is scuffed also.

maybe you should move back to the suburbs.

Thanks for gatekeeping where I live, you clearly know everything about me.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 8 months ago (1 children)

WTF do you expect when you post anonymously about "needing" a gigantic truck with a extended cab and a tiny worthless truck bed because you have a kid in a car seat and don't have the sense to know that if you actually grew up in the country, you'd damn well know you can strap in a car set in on a truck bench.

And here's another judgement, it's a pretty piss poor excuse for trying to justify "needing" once again a huge, wasteful, dumb short bed truck because you have a car seat and have a want to haul a few bags of trash. Ever heard of double bagging? Or a trailer? Or if you did grow up in the country, a burn barrel?

You're right that I don't know everything about you, I only know what you share on a anonymous social media board, and what I have read so far, you sure do sound like one of those suburban transplants wasting good farmland.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 8 months ago (3 children)

do you expect when you post anonymously about "needing" a gigantic truck with a extended cab

I never said "need" once.

Ever heard of double bagging?

Cause THAT'S environmentally friendly.

Or a trailer?

A bunch of assumptions there.

a burn barrel?

LMAO, that'd be a helluva fast way to get fined around here. I'm in the "country", but it's not in the middle of nowhere. It's a neighborhood built just a bit out from a small town of 5000 people. It's "country", but kind of isn't at the same time. I have to register with the county each time I want to have a fire in the fire pit. And burning garbage is a fast way to get in crap. And not to mention monumentally stupid.

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[–] [email protected] 4 points 8 months ago (3 children)

This still doesn't matter make sense. Lots of people have multiple kids and/or a spouse. Manufacturing more vehicles just to please your ego is not the economical or environmentally friendly thing to do.

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[–] [email protected] 17 points 8 months ago (2 children)

How'd they get someone pregnant with that medically diagnosed micropenis?

[–] [email protected] 12 points 8 months ago (2 children)

Wow you're soooo cool. I bet everyone is always really happy when you talk

[–] [email protected] 5 points 8 months ago (1 children)

Sounds like I hit a sensitive spot in a way big truck guy only wishes he could.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago)

You could have made fun of them without bodyshaming

Be better

[–] [email protected] 2 points 8 months ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 6 points 8 months ago (1 children)

Lol. This isn't an insult to me the way you want it to be.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 8 months ago

Good. I wasn't trying to insult you.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 8 months ago (1 children)

What is "carrying stuff the way a truck does"? No offense, I really do not understand

[–] [email protected] 6 points 8 months ago (1 children)

Well, I can't shove drywall, leaking smelly garbage, construction scrap, etc into a Ford Edge without seriously messing up the inside. So that kind of way.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (2 children)

Why would you need to shove it IN car, when you can carry it ON car?

[–] [email protected] 5 points 8 months ago (2 children)

To get a roof rack installed on my car would be over $1000. I checked.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 8 months ago (1 children)

You can't make this argument while also stating in other comments that a truck is too expensive.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 8 months ago (1 children)

I'm not arguing that. You have a fair point.

But my argument about a use case for a truck isn't about MY truck (I don't have one), it was merely about the valid use for owning a truck.

I'm getting by right now by wrecking the inside of my car (it's already done). I looked at getting a roof rack, but the quote I got was around $1400. But that only would help with getting new drywall. Not broken up garbage drywall, and wouldn't help with bags of garbage.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 8 months ago (3 children)

I know you don't have a truck. As I said, I read your comments.

I still don't understand your other issues. They seem like they'd be solved with a tarp and good garbage bags (that keep smells contained). I haul garbage and yard waste all the time in my Golf.

A truck wouldn't be a panacea for your issues either. Truck beds also get scratched up and if you're responsible you'd have to secure your loads.

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[–] [email protected] 4 points 8 months ago

would be over $1000.

How?

on my car

Although maybe your car doesn't have rack mounts from factory. For lada it's about 20€ and tightening few bolts.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 8 months ago

What an absolutely bonkers suggestion. Do you legitimately think this solves the problem?

If someone actually did this, strapped drywall, leaking garbage bags, and other random garbage on top of their vehicle, there would be a post on here so fucking fast calling the driver a moron.