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Let me know, protest abstainers, when it sinks in how fucked palestinians are.
Yea, anyone who didn't know that Trump's immediate policy would be to glass Gaza is a fucking idiot. He was extremely transparent about it.
His son in law Jared kushner is a practicing orthodox jew, and his daughter Ivanka literally converted to Judaism for him. They are both practicing orthodox jews, check Kushners wiki.
This is the daughter trump adores. Anyone supporting Palestine who voted trump or didn't vote is an idiot.
Orthodox Jews, while being more likely than the other major branches of Judaism to be conservative and support expansionist and oppressive Zionism, do not inherently hold that belief. There are sects of ultra-orthodox Jews that are hardline anti-Zionists. Don't make the mistake of conflating religious belief with support for Israel in general or Israel's genocide specifically.
Kushner and Ivanka probably do, but because they're just shitty people, not automatically because they're religious.
Wasn't Jared already talking about how he couldn't wait to get his hands on some of that beachfront property even before the election?
Oh I agree completely. There's many orthodox jews in and out of Israel that are very critical of Netanyahu, Israel foreign policy, etc.
That wasn't my point though. My point was that, his family as evidence, it should be simply obvious to everyone that trump will either be moderately supportive or very supportive of Israel, keyword being supportive. I doubt he'll give a shit about the blight of the Palestinians.
On the subject of kushner and Ivanka being devoutly religious, I'm very suspect. I believe these two to be spoiled and coddled their entire lives, I think they love money, power, and luxury, and that's the extent of their world. Why they follow the tradition, I have no idea. Maybe they're so narcissistic they latch onto the whole "gods chosen people" nonsense. Maybe it's just following tradition of kushners family. Regardless, I don't think there's any substance to these people other than greed, that includes trump.
I sure hope you meant plight of the Palestinians…
It is bad enough they will ruin the world, I would rather not have to learn the lore.
"I will never vote for genocide" Yeah, and you didn't help stop it either.
Was such a stupid stance. By abstaining, they effectively voted for a swifter genocide. And it was obvious.
"I thought 'finish the job' meant peace!"
They are just looking for a solution that is permanent, final if you will.
Are any Palestinians even still going to be alive come January?
https://www.nytimes.com/2024/11/12/us/politics/israel-weapons-gaza-aid.html
Yes. As bad as it is now, not everyone is projected to be dead.
-The next US ambassador to Israel
Someone from an Arab group was saying on the radio that they basically didn't care if it meant more deaths in Gaza if they encouraged their members not to vote for Harris, they would blame the Democrats... That's some twisted logic if I've ever seen it.
The same strategy is Hamas's primary MO. If Israelis die, it's good for Hamas. If Gazans die, it's good for Hamas. On one hand, Israel should get a hell of a lot more blame than the Democrats. On the other, you can see how this powers Hamas strategy.
The new temple will be the seat of the world government headed by the Antichrist. That's why far-right evangelicals want to rebuild it. You'd think he'd be able to just do it himself after conquering the world. And of course, the outcome of the final battle between God and Satan is actually uncertain.
They were always astroturfers
Are you living under a fucking rock?
Palestinians are already fucked. They are literally going through a genocide. There is no worse outcome.
It doesn’t get worse under Trump, it’s the same under Trump. Just as Biden continued Trumps other Israel bullshit. Birds of a feather massacre together.
Ah yes, the two states of existence, genocide, and not-genocide. That's why the genocide, which has been going on for near two-decades now, is no more urgent today than it was in September of last year.
I hate that idea. It was genocide when the Nazis were putting Jews in ghettos, it was genocide when Nazis were putting them in labor camps, it was genocide when they decided on the Final Solution and started putting them in the gas chambers.
Genocide can get worse. People who say that it can't are coming from such a ridiculous position of privilege that they will never understand suffering.
Pug I usually respect your takes, but this isn’t one of them.
For nearly a century it’s been a state of apartheid, the genocide in earnest started after oct. The UN and many other institutions have raised huge concerns over it.
It feels like you’re just trying to downplay what Palestinians are actively going through under Biden to push on the angle of Trump being worse. Honestly it reeks of genocide denial, which I suspect wasn’t your intent.
"Palestinians are being genocided, but that doesn't mean that the genocide can't happen faster or in a more bloody manner"
"I think you're just trying to downplay what Palestinians are going through under Biden"
???
No. It really didn't start in October.
Yes, they have, and rightfully so. The escalation of the genocide to where it is now is a major atrocity, beyond where the genocide was before.
Don't be fooled for a single fucking second that this is as bad as it gets.
Exactly, it's such a bizarre statement. It's like saying ghettoes and the holocaust were the same thing.
I'm also guessing that the people in Gaza who are still alive think that it could definitely get worse. What with them not being dead yet.
Let’s save that comment so we can revisit in 2025 shall we?
This reminds me of a joke about Russian history.
Russian history in 5 words:
And then things got worse.
Biden was pushing for a peace treaty. Trump is going to glass the whole place and build seaside resorts.
Biden was pushing for a peace treaty by sending them guns, money, and assurances that the US would attack anyone who resisted?
Yeah right and McDonalds is a health food company because they offer a salad.
The United States has shipped Munitions and weapons to Israel for decades. It didn't magically become about genocide just because you pretend it did. I would absolutely argue that we should reconsider or slow down or hold off on sending them more. But that wouldn't have stopped anything. And it would be foolish to think otherwise. And yet there are still so many fools.
Let's play a fantasy game for a moment. Biden cancels all future arms shipments to Israel. You're happy and the situation is now resolved right? The zionists in the house and Senate would never unanimously override his veto. And just continue those shipments. Then he would have burned any political Capital he had for negotiations and goodwill. Leaving us with less chance to stop it than before. And only empowering Netanyahu and the ghoulish zionists.
This fantasy black and white thinking is a curse. That you and so many others are so terminally online. Getting high on your own supply of passing this rhetoric back and forth that you believe it. Sometimes things are complicated and have nuance. But what's the point of nuance when you can just virtue signal for nothing and get nothing in return. You won. The Biden ministration nor the Harris administration will be sending any more arms or support to Israel after january. And no one will be arguing for a ceasefire either. Everyone is saved. And you certainly weren't played a fool. Congratulations.
They're on the other side of the globe. None of it affects them personally and never did.
I'd say you're right. But they need to understand that capitalists will always need to find someone new to exploit, and fascists will always need to find someone new to scapegoat. They're only safe on the other side of the world so long.
Trump Administration: challenge accepted
If there is one truth about humanity it is this - there is always a worse option.
The death toll up to this point is about 45k. Israel has not settled any land in Gaza or started expelling Palestinians into neighboring countries. There is a lot of room for it to get worse.
By the time that happens they'll find another single issue to focus their energy on.
Oh ye Biden was really making a difference. Stop pretending the dems are materially different on this even if the re less blunt.
So it hasn't sunk in yet. Got it. TTM in the spring and we'll see if you still think like this.
You are lucky. For you there is no material difference. For many, there very much is. Contrary to popular opinion, you do not have to always and exclusively vote for your own selfish interests.
Behold! "Less blunt":
"Marco Rubio says he is against Gaza ceasefire"
That's the new Secretary of State abstainers helped get into office.
It's so gross how much some/the majority of libs are enjoying shitting on small, powerless groups that didn't support their preferred candidate
Because your fucking choice was to support Trump instead. How fucking hard is it to understand, fuck.
I'm not a lib, and by all accounts the libs are also a powerless group. Who are you referring to exactly?
It literally can't get worse. Have you watched the news lately? The good news is the second in command of the world's most ravenous, vicious, blood thirsty empire will soon be an unqualified blowhard--and the first in command will be similarly (un)qualified. Death to America.
There's a thing about rock bottom...it can always get worse until there is nothing left to feel.