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I am so tired of the whole "cool pope" thing with Francis. It's 100% PR.

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[–] [email protected] 193 points 1 year ago (2 children)

And I think an organisation covering for pedophiles and murdering kids in their schools have no moral high ground and it is definitely unfit to lecture anyone on human dignity.

Eat a bag of dicks Francis

[–] [email protected] 22 points 1 year ago (1 children)
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[–] [email protected] 15 points 1 year ago

Exactly. There people are a threat, not role models.

[–] [email protected] 76 points 1 year ago (2 children)

The Vatican said Pope Francis had approved the document, which also reaffirms its condemnation of surrogacy, saying the practice represents “a grave violation of the dignity of the woman and the child”.

“A child is always a gift and never the basis of a commercial contract,” the document says. “Every human life, beginning with that of the unborn child in its mother’s womb, cannot be suppressed, nor become an object of commodity.”

The ethical problems with surrogacy are real, but they're not about the child. They're about income inequality and putting adult women through a physically traumatic, dangerous, and possibly life-changing experience for money. If we were able to use artificial wombs for "surrogacy" (I know, it's technically not the same thing), I think people would see it as nothing but a new type of fertility medicine.

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[–] [email protected] 51 points 1 year ago (2 children)

How about you work on your age-of-concent-fluidity problems first.

[–] [email protected] 17 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 12 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Then there's spreading HIV in Africa (and other parts of the world) by preaching against using condoms. How many millions have died of AIDS because the Catholic church told them or their partner not to wear a condom?

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[–] [email protected] 46 points 1 year ago (1 children)

The Vatican is still covering up little boy rape, right?

[–] [email protected] 24 points 1 year ago

They're definitely covering for little girl rape too

[–] [email protected] 38 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I say diddling kids is a threat to human dignity.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 1 year ago

That's where you and the pope will just have to agree to disagree.

[–] [email protected] 35 points 1 year ago

idk, seems like forced birth and pedophilia are bigger threats to the dignity of the woman and the child than surrogacy

[–] [email protected] 33 points 1 year ago (3 children)

The Vatican has described the belief in gender fluidity as “a concession to the age-old temptation to make oneself God”

Better update the bible in English to refer to god as "they" instead of always using male pronouns, then.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (22 children)

I mean, no update needed:

Then God said, “Let us make humans in our image, according to our likeness, and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea and over the birds of the air and over the cattle and over all the wild animals of the earth and over every creeping thing that creeps upon the earth.”

So God created humans in his image, in the image of God he created them; male and female he created them.

  • Genesis 1:26-27

This passage uses a plural for God and refers to the image of God as male and female (likely a remnant of when it was a divine couple before the reforms, but still).

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[–] [email protected] 30 points 1 year ago

Let this be a reminder to you that organized religion only accepts social progress when they get dragged to do it under risk of becoming irrelevant. This Pope's previous winks to the LGBT community were the bare minimum that the Catholic Church has to do in order to not to continue losing followers (and their wallets) in some countries such as Spain and Ireland. The moment a much less mainstream concept, such as gender fluidity, gets brought into the table, it's free game for them again.

[–] [email protected] 29 points 1 year ago (3 children)

Wouldn't depriving someone of their right to their preferred identity be considered a threat to human dignity?

[–] [email protected] 10 points 1 year ago (4 children)

It's not their "preferred identity." It's their identity.

They are not their "preferred pronouns." They are their pronouns.

It's not their "chosen name." It's their name.

They don't "identify as." They are.

(I know you're an ally, just wanted to point these things out for all the allies to use slightly better wording.)

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[–] [email protected] 28 points 1 year ago

Aaaaand…. Human dignity calls the Vatican archaic and obsolete.

[–] [email protected] 23 points 1 year ago

Frank, if you want to find threats to human dignity, look at your child molesting priests and your bishops covering for them. Until then, you're in no place to judge.

[–] [email protected] 22 points 1 year ago

Yes, because living your desires as your true self is no way to find dignity. And surrogacy?! Like…what.

[–] [email protected] 21 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Ah yes, recknognizing that human beings come in many different forms is the "threat to human dignity", and definitely not the practice of trying to aggressively (even violently) shoehorn others into neat, convenient categories. 🙄

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[–] [email protected] 19 points 1 year ago

Ah yes, it is uniquely dignified to hate your body and feel like an alien inside it.

[–] [email protected] 19 points 1 year ago

The only threat to human dignity here is child-rapists being considered the experts on morality.

Conservatism is a vile plague and religion a tool of conservatism. There is no greater threat to humanity than conservative religious people.

[–] [email protected] 18 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (7 children)

there's the catholic church that I knew and hated.

I wonder why multiple adults beating the shit out of 6 year old me with yardsticks wasn't a threat to human dignity.

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[–] RamblingPanda 18 points 1 year ago

Letting people live the life they chose for themselves: unacceptable!

Forcing them to be unhappy and never find peace with themselves: just as god intended.

[–] [email protected] 16 points 1 year ago (2 children)
[–] [email protected] 21 points 1 year ago (3 children)

He never was, it was all PR to deflect from the child molesting

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[–] [email protected] 16 points 1 year ago

He never was. He's just a Pope John Paul II who hasn't had a photoshoot with a brutal dictator yet.

[–] [email protected] 14 points 1 year ago

Fuck the vatican

[–] [email protected] 14 points 1 year ago

Agreed. Being slightly less of an asshole than one”s predecessor is definitely not the same as being “cool”.

[–] [email protected] 13 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Boo!

Boo, again I say!

It makes life so much harder for Trans living in parts of the world where Catholicism is still relevant.

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[–] [email protected] 12 points 1 year ago

Get Fucked Pedo Leader!!!

[–] [email protected] 10 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children)

LOL, every single surrogate I've ever met personally, with the exception of one, has been a staunch Christian.

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[–] [email protected] 10 points 1 year ago (5 children)

Human dignity has been a nonarguement for 100,000 years

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[–] [email protected] 10 points 1 year ago

And thr vatican can fuck right off with their outdated world view.

Wonder why they’re losing so many followers

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