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How is the size of Lemmy's userbase changing? Is it growing or shrinking? How diverse is it? What do the current trendlines look like as we approach a year since Rexxit?

I feel like I used to see graphs on this sub fairly regularly, but haven't seen one recently. There was also some ambiguity in the numbers as commenting and voting were added to the active user totals. Now that most (all?) instances have switched to 0.19, do we have a better idea of where things stand?

Aside from sticking around and posting, commenting, and voting, is there anything users should be doing to help grow the platform? (!lemmygrow would be a good name for a sublemmy, if anyone wanted to organize something)

In any case, thanks to everyone who has helped grow Lemmy to its current size!

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[–] [email protected] 91 points 11 months ago (5 children)

Anecdotally, the communities I'm interested in are getting more active in a way that seems sustainable (as opposed to last year, when it was a always a single person posting some, getting no responses, and leaving). I'm pretty positive about the state of Lemmy and the wider threadiverse.

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[–] [email protected] 90 points 11 months ago (5 children)
[–] [email protected] 49 points 11 months ago (1 children)

I didn't know there were almost as many Germans as Americans, the majority of Reddit users were Americans which has created Americocentric perspective on a lot of topics which from a European perspective was quite annoying.

[–] [email protected] 33 points 11 months ago (1 children)

I did not verify my thoughts but I think this could be because ovh has big datacenters in Germany and quite a lot of Europeans use ovh.

[–] [email protected] 45 points 11 months ago (2 children)

fediverse had a strong european presence before the reddit migration too. The Mastodon lead-dev/founder, for instance, is German. And European governments have been far more interested in running their own instances on the fediverse than any other country AFAICT (to the point that I've seen it confuse North-American admins).

[–] [email protected] 23 points 11 months ago (1 children)

I think one of the Lemmy devs is German too

[–] [email protected] 25 points 11 months ago (1 children)
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[–] [email protected] 15 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Yeah open source seems to be a big thing in Germany specifically for some reason

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[–] [email protected] 13 points 11 months ago (7 children)

Why do the graphs look so weird?

[–] [email protected] 43 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Fuck me, pie charts with 50 segments??? Maybe they look weird because pie charts suck if you have more than 2-3 things to show

And the rest on the page don’t display well on mobile

[–] [email protected] 15 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Youre right - feel free to make and share a better Version. I think the community appreciates forks and contributions :)

[–] [email protected] 32 points 11 months ago (3 children)

No, I’m just here to sit in my armchair and judge other people’s design choices.

But on a serious note, I wouldn’t even know how. I barely played around in R but the only semi-legit data viz stuff I ever did was in Tableau. And that was only with static data

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[–] [email protected] 10 points 11 months ago

So basically, had a massive spike during the reddit blackout in July last year. Dropped down to half by November and has since shown fairly steady (if measured) growth. I think that's a good sign.

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[–] [email protected] 78 points 11 months ago (1 children)

It's too early to say, as the method of accounting for 'active user' changed recently.

Seems to me like Lemmy is "consolidating". Some people are leaving but the community is deepening in norms, understanding, commitment and cohesion. This shows up as better content and discussions all the time. Spam is snuffed out quickly, more communities have better moderators. Our infrastructure is maturing and the software is getting better.

[–] [email protected] 28 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (3 children)

Theses stats are a bit weird to read and idk how trustworthy they are, but generally i would agree because even though total active user count might be stagnant, the comment and post numbers are steadily growing.

[–] [email protected] 12 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (3 children)

The total user count is meaningless. Look at the monthly active users. That gives a good picture. And those are the correct links and graphs.

(The total users mainly show how the Reddit exodus happened. Lots of people made an account and used it once. Thus the steep incline in users. But they're not real, just zombie records. Also it's heavily affected by instances moving, shutting down or doing maintenance. Also lots of people here have multiple accounts. And there is some degree of farming and bot activity...)

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[–] [email protected] 11 points 11 months ago (3 children)

We need to up our stats. Get some AI bots in here posting content!

/s

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[–] [email protected] 46 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Now I am surfing lemmy more than reddit, simply because lemmy load faster.

[–] [email protected] 43 points 11 months ago

I feel like the quality and quantity of posts and comments have drastically increased over the last month. Idk what happened, maybe it's just me but I'm glad this place exists. I'm having a blast! 💜

[–] [email protected] 42 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (1 children)

I think posting is probably the biggest thing you can do to grow the community. That and word of mouth - tell people about the fediverse.

[–] [email protected] 38 points 11 months ago (3 children)

at this point I think we might need comments more than posts, there's lots of posts already but most of them are lacking comments

[–] [email protected] 19 points 11 months ago

I think engagement is often driven when people see active communities though. Can’t have that without posts in communities. Sort of a chicken and egg thing ig.

I post in some communities where I’m the only person posting for weeks and nobody comments. I post in others where I’m just a contributor and people engage in the comments.

[–] [email protected] 19 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Gotta agree. A good discussion will pull me in more than lots of posts

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[–] [email protected] 11 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (12 children)

Yes, but it's predominantly if not all news and politics or political ideological soap box posts or posts about defederation drama and instance infighting.

Just after having used Lemmy for 3 years, all it really is, is a small platform, for people to create a space where they can freely be hateful and shitty and hostile to opposite political sides that they hate.

It's so they can experience feeling powerful over who they hate. In a sense, it's their way of serving 'justice' keeping people out, defederating, is purposeful and habitual. It makes sense to me honestly.

Keeping Lemmy small, it's easier to control and to continue to be able to have a place where they hate who they hate.

It's annoying when ppl try to deny that.

Just be honest about it. Be truthful, ppl appreciate honesty.

Growing Lemmy would not be ideal, bc different people with all kinds of different perspectives AND INTERESTS THAT ISN'T TECH OR POLITICS would make them a minority. That's purposefully being avoided.

I found myself telling myself, "Go on reddit today, don't go on lemmy. You need a break from all the extreme constant politics"

I don't engage in politics online at all for a while.

But that's all what is posted and talked about here. No one here even wants to have actual fun and be silly or have a good time enjoying themselves. What is the most irritating, is literally no one fucking engages if it isn't political. That stuff gets ignored and down voted. This is a political place that is the issue.

There's no light hearted fun silly cool niche interesting happy or positive shit here. Everyone is angry and political and people are not interested in that.

[–] [email protected] 11 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (1 children)

I found myself telling myself, "Go on reddit today, don't go on lemmy. You need a break from all the extreme constant politics"

This happened to me too. What I ended up doing was extensively muting communities that made any political posts in my feed and using a keyword filter (Sync supports this). My blocked words include Linux, Biden, Union, etc.. Now my feed is mostly memes

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[–] [email protected] 30 points 11 months ago (2 children)

I went back on Reddit a couple days ago and the difference is insane. Lemmy post and comments feel like real people. Reddit post are literally the same shit post or questions asked 3 years ago and filled with comments that seem like AI or just someone not putting in any thought

[–] [email protected] 13 points 11 months ago

I just came back a few days ago and have had the exact same experience.

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[–] [email protected] 30 points 11 months ago (2 children)

Im seeing more communities on my feed than ever. Even if it's shrinking, the ones who stay are active.

Just FYI, every "wave" of signups from some reddit/other news relating to lemmy will always be followed by some falloff as people dont both signing in every day -- which is basically how people use reddit and other apps but with such a large installcount they're not as noticeable.

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[–] [email protected] 28 points 11 months ago

Stable, around 50k monthly active users

!lemmygrow could be a nice idea to help people find smaller communities (memes, tech, news and politics are easy to find, the rest not so much)

Reddit continues to mess up, so we can expect more people as the Reddit experience gets worse and Lemmy/Mbin/Piefed/Sublinks improve

[–] [email protected] 27 points 11 months ago (4 children)

Yeah it's probably not doing great, compare lemmy active user count to that of writefreely , it does a lot better, even the number of servers is increasing, the number of other projects starting that compete with lemmy (piefed, sublinks) is also not a great sign .

Not trying to belittle anyone, i just believe in the importance of negative feedback and defensive pessimism.

On a more positive note, the amount of donations lemmy receive (which i think should correlate with high quality usage of the platform) has increased moderately (see november 2 numbers when they started posting the numbers with current numbers) .

[–] [email protected] 36 points 11 months ago (2 children)

I find your take on that data to be super weird, given that Lemmy has 10x the number of monthly active users than writefreely. We're not going to be beating Reddit anytime soon, but we've got a decent little community going.

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[–] [email protected] 25 points 11 months ago

Sublinks and piefed don't compete with lemmy, or at least, they don't weaken the ecosystem since they are all inter compatible.

[–] [email protected] 11 points 11 months ago (3 children)

Having other projects which are similar to Lemmy is a great sign. It means users have more choices available and developers can experiment with different solutions. It's really not a competition, because the existence of more compatible Fediverse projects will also benefit Lemmy, as there will be more users and more content.

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[–] [email protected] 21 points 11 months ago (1 children)

I can't speak to growing or shrinking in terms of number of users and I try not to bring "feels like" into this since that's subjective. However, anecdotally speaking, I've been noticing signs of a down turn over the past month or two. Perhaps just a seasonal thing, perhaps due to some other cause such as the upgrade to 0.19.X.

The most telling thing to me is that I'm seeing fewer comments during my active hours. One of the ways I browse for active discussions on Lemmy is to sort by "New Comments' and switch to the view that shows comments instead of posts. So, I do the sort/filter, view the results, looking to see if there are any interesting comments or topics.

Historically speaking, other than a weird bug that would seem to pin some slightly older posts to the top of the list, everything on the first page would be somewhere between seconds to several minutes old. It was incredibly unusual to see anything over 5 minutes old on the first page and also very unusual to see any of the same comments if I refreshed the page.

More recently though, it's more common to see comments that are 5+ minutes old on the first page of new comments list. It's also much more common for me to reach the bottom of the page, hit refresh, and then see some of the same comments in the list after it refreshes. And I don't exactly speed run through this page -- I check out the post titles, if it's an interesting topic, I'll often click through and read more in the post, sometimes I'll even respond to comments directly, then return back to the new comments, etc.

As I mentioned, it could just be a seasonal slowdown. Perhaps the 0.19 upgrade results in a slowdown or backlog of things that show up on the new comments list, I know other things have changed like the fact that I can no longer view anything except the first page of results. Others have suggested there are fewer posts/posters, but that what gets posted "feels like" it's higher quality, but I'd counter that with the fact that what I "feel like" is that's not actually the case based on what I'm seeing in the new comments list.

[–] [email protected] 11 points 11 months ago

Hah weird I've been feeling the opposite - like, it feels like there's more content on here than when I joined, ain't that weird. Although maybe I'm using 'stuff I like' and 'upvotes' as a metric and you're using "community and interaction" maybe? Would seem to make some kind of sense

[–] [email protected] 20 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Anectodally is getting a lot better recently. Quantity and quality is increasing and number of upvotes per post on frontpage is also increasing.

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[–] [email protected] 17 points 11 months ago (6 children)

I keep thinking of ditching Kbin for Lemmy, because Kbin is down more often than I'd like, and I presume Lemmy is healthier. However, I've gotten quite used to this place, and am not eager to start anew elsewhere.

[–] [email protected] 12 points 11 months ago

BTW, at least in my experience, kbin fails to federate a lot of content properly, leading to communities and posts seeming A LOT emptier than they actually are

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[–] [email protected] 15 points 11 months ago

Now that most (all?) instances have switched to 0.19

Beehaw are still on 0.18.4. If/when they make the planned move to Sublinks, they'll effectively be on 0.19 in some ways I suppose.

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