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[–] [email protected] 87 points 11 months ago (15 children)

Switch going to be conservative, meanwhile the deck clones are going all out. Wonder how those will run switch 2 emulators.

[–] [email protected] 21 points 11 months ago (2 children)

Kind of tangential, but can you do local multiplayer when emulating the switch on a steam deck. Like can you have a 4 player Mario kart game?

[–] [email protected] 18 points 11 months ago (3 children)

Sure. Just need to use some external controllers obviously.

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[–] [email protected] 19 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

I regularly emulate Switch games on my RoG Ally Z1E, and it pulls it off so fucking well, I haven't touched my Switch since I got the thing (it easily runs every title I've thrown at it at 60fps+higher res, plus I have the ability to mod games if I need to.)

I can't imagine it'll be too difficult for them to emulate Switch 2 games, assuming Nintendo don't catch on to emulation developers too early.

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[–] [email protected] 71 points 11 months ago (3 children)

Interesting, so in between lawsuits and takedowns they still do game related stuff from time to time huh?

One thing is certain,
due to all those lawsuits and takedowns,
I won't be buying into their next console,
they won't get a single dime from me anymore.

[–] [email protected] 21 points 11 months ago (1 children)

What have they done recently that made you decide not to buy from them, that they haven't already been doing for 30+ years to begin with? Nintendo's lawsuits against emulator devs aren't a new phenomenon; they've been shutting down emulator/ROM projects since the 90s.

[–] [email protected] 35 points 11 months ago

They might have been doing it for longer then I've been aware of.

But this is a (small) list of things that caught my attention and made me despise them:

  • Garry's Mod takedowns
  • Yuzu + Citra takedowns
  • Relic Castle takedown
  • Palworld Mod takedowns
  • BOTW Mod takedowns
  • PointCrow DMCAs
  • Gary Bowser's life ruined
[–] [email protected] 14 points 11 months ago

But who will buy their $70 Wii U/Wii ports? :p

[–] [email protected] 9 points 11 months ago

Nintendo consoles are great for piracy if that’s your bag

[–] [email protected] 55 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Wow, modern technology has really progressed, can't wait to play tears of the kingdom still at 30 fps

[–] [email protected] 23 points 11 months ago

You can already play it comfortably in 60 fps, but not on Nintendo hardware.

[–] [email protected] 53 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Last time they tried a slight upgrade to not rock the boat and maintain backward compatibility was the WiiU.

[–] [email protected] 57 points 11 months ago (7 children)

That was the Wii actually. It being a slightly up clocked Gamecube. The WiiU was a massive hardware upgrade from the Wii at the time. The WiiU just had a host of other problems.

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[–] [email protected] 46 points 11 months ago (6 children)

I can't wait to see Nintendo's new underpowered console. I'm sure they won't completely miss the mark again.

1080p?! We're living in the future, guys!

[–] [email protected] 39 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Considering all of the PC handhelds being released, 1080p is the best you can really do on a handheld screen with modernish games. Steam Deck is the most successful and it is only 800p. Having a 1440 or 2160 screen would decimate battery with little to no benefit.

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[–] [email protected] 11 points 11 months ago

Screen size plays a role

Even if you can put an 8k screen in your 15cm profile. There isn’t any reason to do it

[–] [email protected] 11 points 11 months ago (18 children)

I love the Switch form factor, specifically the detachable controllers. I thought it was idiotic when I first saw the commercials but I love it. I don't care about AAA graphics on a portable, it is a little baby screen anyway. Cel shading, let's go, IDGAF.

Unfortunately they are making shitty Zeldas now so I'll probably not buy this one. If someone makes decent Linux hardware with detachable controllers I'd consider that.

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[–] [email protected] 29 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (4 children)

Man, nintendo just needs to stop. Ugh. "Heres our NEW underperforming console! Get ready to play severely inferior ports of popular 3rd party games, everyone! We've ensured that only nintendo games will run well on our new console and nothing else because we dont actually want these vastly superior games from 3rd parties to outclass our nintendo developed games!". Why is it so hard for them to actually release something that's is on equal grounds with everything else? They spending all their coin on their precious DMCAs' or something? Also, fuck nintendo. Fuck them, fuck their inferior hardware and fuck their severe hatred of the fans. Seriously, I'm noticing a trend here. Either you are forced to play their games, which really aren't THAT great and mostly weird, or you're forced to play other 3rd party games, select ones at that, with severely inferior standards and performance. It's like they're trying to discourage any quality games out there from playing on their hardware on purpose because it's nintendo games or the highway, and that fits their aggressively anticonsumer mindset too. Another great indicator of this is why they refuse to let their characters appear in Fortnite. The kinda funny podcast did a piece on this. Here's a shocker: they literally said they don't want their characters in the game because it wasn't on their hardware exclusively. How childish is that? They are literally the only ones who won't do it. Microsoft and Sony were OK with having Kratos, Master Chief, Aloy, etc, DC was cool with sharing their IPs, Marvel was cool with it, MHA, DragonBall, Kaizen, AOT were cool with it, Fox was cool with sharing Family guy, Konami was cool with sharing Snake, Capcom was cool with sharing SF, hell, WE EVEN GOT JACK SKELLINGTON IN IT, but NOPE, Nintendo can't play nice. Shocking.

Guess what, Nintendo? Due to your outrageous behavior with emulation and lawsuits, along with your stupid takedowns (GMOD NINTENDO? FUCKING GMOD?), or how you ruined a mans life all because he chipped your garbage hardware, including how much you hate your fans who only wanted to celebrate you, I wont be giving you another fucking dime. I was never really much of a pirate, but when it comes to you? I am now. Get FUCKED you anticonsumerist dirtbags.

[–] [email protected] 26 points 11 months ago (1 children)

If a Nintendo console was comparable to other consoles in the same generation, would the games be more fun?
If not, then what's the point? Many SNES games are more fun than the vast majority of technically superior games out this year.
"They should make the graphics better so... that... the graphics would be better" isn't a super compelling argument.
My question is "what's going to make me stop playing my games on the Switch and play them on this instead".
My concern is that this is going to end up causing library fragmentation like the WiiU and the New 3DS. The Game Boy Color added color to its predecessor, the New 3DS added... slightly faster polygon calculations? I don't even know. Some games required the better processor but I couldn't tell you what they did with it. Maybe they just got away with worse optimization.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 11 months ago (4 children)

Idk, I'm not saying I care about graphics specifically, just that equal hardware would allow more 3rd party games to utilize it. The thing that is stopping people from enjoying those games on other consoles is money. People don't want to buy multiple systems. All I'm saying is I think nintendo should make decent hardware so that users can play the 3rd party games they want on their Nintendo system instead of buying at minimum another console.

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[–] [email protected] 26 points 11 months ago (3 children)

I honestly don't care about "underpowered hardware" and other similar crap. I do care about having to pay a sub just to get cloud saves, Nintendo's excessively restrictive policies, their obsession with litigating fans, their frustrating inability to understand modern multiplayer, and their increasing desire to rehash the same games many times.

The only reason I owned a Switch was for on-the-go gaming because gaming on phones is a joke, and now I have a Steam Deck.

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[–] [email protected] 19 points 11 months ago (8 children)

Is it me or do they always promise backwards compatibility and then find some cockamamie horseshit at the last minute on why it just wasn't possible. I might be a little scarred from previous promises (not specific to Nintendo).

[–] [email protected] 33 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (5 children)

Wii had backwards compatibility, same with Wii U. Switch couldn’t use disk so it couldn’t be. All the Gameboys had it. Super Nintendo as well. 3Ds and DS had it. Nintendo often do it.

[–] [email protected] 18 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Super Nintendo was not backward compatible.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 11 months ago (11 children)

It "kind of" was with the Super Gameboy allowing for Gameboy games to run on the SNES. Buy yeah, more like a sideways compatibility

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[–] [email protected] 15 points 11 months ago (1 children)

I hope games will be able to hit 60fps stable or offer some type of 40hz minimums for the higher refresh rate TVs.

Resolution is important, but if the games still perform like they do now, I’d be disappointed.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 11 months ago (1 children)

I think Nintendo will probably try to hit a great pricepoint for parents instead of high performance. The last powerful Nintendo console that I'm aware of was the Gamecube.

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[–] [email protected] 15 points 11 months ago (2 children)

In this thread: completely out of touch gamers shitting on the world's second best selling console of all time.

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[–] [email protected] 14 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

Honestly, i wouldn't have expect anything different. Any lack of back-compatibility would have been a suicide move.

[–] [email protected] 14 points 11 months ago (3 children)

Will you people stop complaining about the switch being underpowered? Why does it have to be powerful? If you want something powerful, don't buy it. Simple as that.

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[–] [email protected] 13 points 11 months ago (2 children)

I am surprised it won’t be more of a hardware improvement since the switch was released in 2017 so there has been a whole lot of new hardware to choose from since then. I would imagine there would be bigger improvements in GPU with the better Radeon offerings.

[–] [email protected] 29 points 11 months ago (1 children)

The problem is that Nintendo wants to be the affordable console parents buy for kids, and if the hardware costs $600 then it won’t be that.

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[–] [email protected] 13 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Full backward compatibility is definitely great to see, if it didn't have it I probably wouldn't pick it up for a few years

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[–] [email protected] 12 points 11 months ago (5 children)

Don't count your hens I remember when all the consoles had backwards compatibility, until they didn't.

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[–] [email protected] 12 points 11 months ago (2 children)

I wonder of “conservative hardware evolution” in this context just means that it’ll still be a switch, just with upgraded internals.

The fact that the built-in screen might be 1080p implies a decent leap in performance. That’s twice as many pixels as a 720p/800p screen.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 11 months ago

Marketing for "the hardware will be outdated sh1t".

They planned and designed switch 2 a few years ago and are only releasing it now. The hardware will be less powerful than a mid-range smartphone. But it will be better than switch 1. So, evolution, right?

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[–] [email protected] 11 points 11 months ago

Honestly, that sounds nice to me.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 11 months ago

Never give Nintendo money.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Interestingly (and understandably), doesn't actually say too much about internals. If the new target is 1080p portable, though, that's a decent bump in specs.

[–] [email protected] 14 points 11 months ago (1 children)

By running games at 20 fps

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[–] [email protected] 9 points 11 months ago (1 children)

I'm curious to see how this goes. Nintendo really is the only company I'd consider buying a console from anymore. Sure, they're hardware isn't very powerful, but it's pretty hard to justify an Xbox or Playstation when a good gaming PC is a better long-term investment. Nintendo, for all if its faults, is constantly innovating what a system can be, while it's competitors just release the same product with upgraded graphics.

That being said, the Switch 2 sounds like exactly that: a slightly upgraded switch without any real innovation. Usually, even Nintendo's failures are interesting, like the Virtual Boy or the Wii U. They almost never release a slightly upgraded product (the only exception being the Game Boy Pocket, which they only made because the Virtual Boy flopped)

No matter what you think of Nintendo as a company, the industry does better when they're pushing the envelope. For all the (well deserved) praise the Steam Deck gets, it wouldn't exist if the Switch hadn't laid the groundwork for it. I'd much rather see Nintendo take a big swing, like integrating AR or VR, into a less powerful system than see them push out a next gen Switch every 5 years. Hopefully there's more to the Switch 2 than just a hardware upgrade, or else Nintendo (and maybe even consoles in general) might be in trouble.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 11 months ago (2 children)

I think you're forgetting the Nintendo DS family.

One of them was literally just named "New Nintendo 3DS".

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