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[–] [email protected] 228 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

It’s insane to me that they’re not charging him with treason in the documents case. There are ties to Russian intelligence as well as sale of confidential submarine plans.

[–] [email protected] 75 points 1 year ago (3 children)

It's strategic. Why set the bar any higher than it needs to be to put him away for life?

[–] [email protected] 75 points 1 year ago (3 children)

That’s a fair point, but only treason would exempt him from holding office again.

[–] [email protected] 56 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Put him behind bars, THEN charge him for treason. Make him show up to court in handcuffs and an orange jumper, to match his face.

[–] [email protected] 45 points 1 year ago

Dude is gonna look like Palpatine when he can't get bronzer anymore.

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[–] [email protected] 24 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (12 children)

To set an example for the next treasonous, racist piece of shit that the GOP nominates.

And maybe as a warning for Clarence Thomas and company.

And maybe to pave the way for charging Kushner and the rest of Trump's nepotistic administration.

See, there are lots of reasons to throw the book at Trump.

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[–] [email protected] 212 points 1 year ago (12 children)

But a disturbing amount of Lemmy is ready and willing to risk making him President because of one issue that Trump would also do nothing to fix.

[–] [email protected] 160 points 1 year ago (1 children)

*Because of one issue that Trump explicitly said he would do much much worse with

[–] [email protected] 83 points 1 year ago (8 children)

I'll never fucking understand it. They claim to care, but he will be substantially worse, and also make their lives directly worse on top of it.

[–] [email protected] 43 points 1 year ago (5 children)

I get it. Nobody wants to actively vote for a guy supporting genocide. But they need to grow up and realize that if they can't make a good choice, they need to make the better choice, no matter how much it sucks that we're at this point.

[–] [email protected] 22 points 1 year ago (2 children)

One supports it (probably because he can't please everyone)

The other would gleefully assist in the genocide

[–] [email protected] 18 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (5 children)

I think Biden would please a lot more people if he just didn't pick a side. Nobody I talk to, no matter where on the political spectrum they land, likes him supporting Israel.

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[–] [email protected] 38 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Sad how shortsighted we as a nation have become

[–] [email protected] 46 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Nailed it.

I'm not continuing to participate in this failed system brah!

Seems to be the best argument they can come up with... As if 4% voting third party would make a difference except to help elect a full on fascist

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[–] [email protected] 15 points 1 year ago (2 children)

That would be something Biden is risking.

[–] [email protected] 15 points 1 year ago (3 children)

Nice obvious troll my man but you gotta put in a little more effort.

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[–] [email protected] 15 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (6 children)

You guys should really think about changing your voting system.

Our voting uses something called a Single Transferable Vote. You can rank candidates in order of preference - last place gets eliminated and any votes they got are instead transferred to each voters' next preference. Repeat until there's only one left.

It cuts out most of the stupid games and you get to see people's positions more honestly.

In this case it'd let people vote for an anti genocide candidate and still indicate that they'd prefer Biden over Trump.

[–] [email protected] 26 points 1 year ago (2 children)

You guys should really think about changing your voting system.

Lmao -- ooooohhhh why didn't we think of that!

Just snap our fingers and change the system!

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[–] [email protected] 145 points 1 year ago (4 children)
[–] [email protected] 58 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I was about to say "Holy shit, that's impressive. I need a source for that" and you got one ready. Good job, OP!

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[–] [email protected] 117 points 1 year ago (7 children)

If anyone thinks that the CIA and deep state is still secretly controlling the United States, picking the leaders, influencing media to present only the narrative that they want to see presented... well, now you got your answer. They're not. If they were, every single TV news show every single night would be running stories about this kind of thing, and good things Biden has done, and associates of Trump who need to be in prison who aren't yet.

The irony is that some version of that influence and control campaign actually is happening now, on behalf of other countries, on social media. Their propaganda is getting presented front and center and getting tons of traction, and the US is in the unusual position of playing catch up on the influencing-mass-opinion game.

[–] [email protected] 37 points 1 year ago (2 children)

I feel there's an element in the CIA that's totally OK with Trump being in power, because it means they get everything green-lit (or Trump simply handwaves them gaining semi-autonomy again, like the bad old days). Remember, the years where they could simply launch a completely unauthorized coup in a foreign country are still within living memory, and well within institutional memory, and I'm sure there's enough spooks that absolutely want that sort of power back.

[–] [email protected] 22 points 1 year ago

I think it's more like the CIA is just running a completely different game. They wouldn't dare want to bring any attention to themselves. The last thing they want is national scrutiny, even if it begins with the public on their side all it does is open the door for more probes and questions about where their money goes and what they've been doing.

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[–] [email protected] 98 points 1 year ago (7 children)

Maga: OK, but look what Biden did!!

[–] [email protected] 56 points 1 year ago (2 children)

What did he do?

Maga: OMG how can you not know sheeple?

Ok, but what did he do? Did he leak classified information? Did he try to overthrow our government?

Maga:...

[–] [email protected] 27 points 1 year ago (2 children)

MAGA: No, worse, he's cancelling student loans!

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[–] [email protected] 37 points 1 year ago

he's old!!!

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[–] [email protected] 53 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (8 children)

i think beyond possibly getting paid for it, trump also wanted to pull a kissinger except with russia this time.

also the fact he isnt already in jail gives me strong "not a real democracy" vibes from the US.

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[–] [email protected] 45 points 1 year ago (3 children)

Just in case anybody doesn't know, and really just for the fun of saying it, the reason he'd help putin is that putin most likely has a recording of trump having sex with underage russian girls... also something about getting peed on as well.

Non-"presidential" material, in any case.

To give Trump a bit of credit, I cannot see his ego being willing to suck a dick as hard as he's sucking the russian's without there being an absolute need to stoop that low. But maybe he's just a grade A POS instead of the second-rate hack he appears to be.

[–] [email protected] 15 points 1 year ago (4 children)

Is that any worse than stuff he's actually done? I don't see why he'd care about this particular instance of being a thunder cunt.

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[–] [email protected] 43 points 1 year ago (1 children)

And the so called patriots are cheering him on. What a world we live in.

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[–] [email protected] 40 points 1 year ago (10 children)

The absolute devastation to peace in Western Europe if this fuckwad wins in November. WW3 incoming

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[–] [email protected] 38 points 1 year ago (7 children)

Why then wouldn't the CIA just whack Trump like they did Kennedy?

[–] [email protected] 21 points 1 year ago (7 children)

They arent nearly as fucken nuts as they once were, that was the same era where they were dosing eachother with LSD.

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[–] [email protected] 35 points 1 year ago (2 children)

I mean I can imagine him doing that, but wyere source?

[–] [email protected] 118 points 1 year ago (6 children)

Plenty of articles on Trump his private meetings with Putin. A short one: https://www.nytimes.com/2019/01/15/us/politics/trump-putin-meetings.html

The CIA circumstantially complaining and warning their agents of an increase of dead informants: https://thehill.com/policy/national-security/575384-cia-admits-to-losing-dozens-of-informants-around-the-world-nyt/

Apart from leaking, Trump also erroneously declassified secret documents, leading to the disappearance (and likely deaths) of some informants. Best case was that the western agency was able to extract their informant in time, but that still means that there is 1 less informant. Here's one case, but there were more: https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2023/oct/17/russian-sources-disappeared-after-trump-declassified-ex-spys-evidence-uk-court-told

Trump his public obeisances towards Putin are also clearly recognizable as such. Trump Putin meetings are not meetings of equals, but one is clearly there to do the bidding of the other.

Put 1, 2, 3 and 4 together and there are many who believe that it was Trump who purposefully gave top secret information to his master. Including basically all western spy agencies, who now no longer can trust the USA with secret information. Trump is a traitor and everyone knows it.

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[–] [email protected] 15 points 1 year ago

The official version of the conversation between trump and Putin doesn't include any mention of the spy list or anything sus.

Without looking into that because it doesn't really solve the issue, there are people who claim the primary source for what was said, would be a daily caller journalist. If that claim is true and the implications are up to you to figure out, as it doesn't really change anyway.

The request seems to be real while he didn't technically asked for spies. Spies aren't usually on the payroll as a spy either.

Trump himself didn't had to provide putin with the list directly anyway as marolago isn't fort Knox.

In short, a shit Tonne of what ifs and maybe, where a trump is an idiot that thought "Putin wants list of spies? I want list of spies" and stored it in a hotel, would be enough.

[–] [email protected] 34 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I recall back in the day that Dutch intelligence agencies hacked their way into cameras in the buildings of the cozy bear hackers that hacked the DNC. they shared their findings with the US and then Trump used that info publicly to try and kick the Democratic party. This in turn caused the hacks to be fixed, and the Dutch agency losing their access. There is some more detail about it that I don't recall, but I do recall the director of the Dutch agency stating they would no longer share information like this with the US as they can't be trusted with it.

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[–] [email protected] 30 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (5 children)

Fredo Corleone would have figured out that, as President, he was in a much stronger position and could extort billions from Putin.

Any Scooby-Doo villain would have figured it out.

James from Team Rocket would have figured it out.

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[–] [email protected] 27 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

Why? Cash money! The Orange Turd and Traitor is a fucking Russian FSB agent. When he was yapping about his trade war with the EU, the German police raided the Deutsche Bank HQ in Frankfurt looking for documents tracing Russian money flowing through Cyprus. Guess who received a loan from Deutsche Bank? The Orange Turd and Traitor. I'm certain Chancellor Merkel called Don, told him STFU about a trade war with the EU or the information gets released.

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[–] [email protected] 24 points 1 year ago

Fuck Trump and fuck the CIA. The world would be better off if both completely stopped existing.

[–] [email protected] 24 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Can we get some sources for this?

[–] [email protected] 18 points 1 year ago (3 children)

The picture right up there duh

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