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[–] [email protected] 189 points 1 year ago (3 children)

Thanks for the 4 years tuition though!

I could see them barring them from walking for their degree, but to hold it completely is messed up. Bullshit that ‘the corporation’ overruled the faculty vote.

[–] [email protected] 71 points 1 year ago

And that's why nobody should ever go to a fot-profit school.

[–] [email protected] 61 points 1 year ago (1 children)

The fun thing is that people say "I graduated" or "I'm graduating" but it's technically more correct to say "I am being graduated (by the university)." I might be mixing it up a bit, but the idea is that the university always has the final say over whether or not you get that important piece of paper at the end.

One of my teachers in high school taught us this, but I never actually thought I'd see it in action. It's cruel.

[–] [email protected] 37 points 1 year ago (7 children)

Which is bullshit. If you got the grades and paid your tuition, a university should not be able to withhold your degree. They can ban you from the graduation ceremony, but that's it.

It is crazy that a university hold such power over someone.

[–] [email protected] 17 points 1 year ago

Seems like a lawsuit waiting to happen.

[–] [email protected] 14 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Harvard doesn't give grades. You either pass, fail, or pass with honors, more or less entirely at the whim of your professors.

It's much more of a social club than a school, and being denied a degree is more akin to having your country club membership revoked than your credentials refuted.

It's almost pro-forma, as the real benefit of attending Harvard is rubbing shoulders with the children of billionaires. The goal is to find someone willing to become your financial patron, not to hold a piece of paper confirming that you did all your homework.

If these kids are on the outs with the school board, they've already been blacklisted by anyone that matters.

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[–] [email protected] 25 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Headline is misleading. The article notes that they arent necessarily withholding them permanently, but because they are going through the disciplinary process, and so currently not in good standing, they can't get them at graduation.

[–] [email protected] 20 points 1 year ago (5 children)

Similar to Israel telling Palestinians that they can't have a state "right now" and have to come to "agreeable" terms first.

If there is no term given it means permanently.

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[–] [email protected] 138 points 1 year ago (2 children)

This is what happens at Harvard when you try to do good. Look at their alumni. Filled with IRL super villains.

[–] [email protected] 31 points 1 year ago (3 children)

Super villains and comedians. Sometimes combinations of both, as in the case of BJ Novak.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 year ago (3 children)

BJ Novak is a supervillain...?

[–] [email protected] 15 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Nah, just being silly lol.

The REAL Harvard educated comedian who's also a super villain is Conan O'Brien, of course 😉

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 year ago (1 children)

How dare you insult the 11th president of Finland like that.

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[–] [email protected] 96 points 1 year ago

Fucking pathetic

[–] [email protected] 55 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Vile. I hope those students sue those bigoted, genocidal pigs into the dirt.

[–] [email protected] 28 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Ah, technically no grounds for lawsuit. Protesting on the institution's private property was against their code of conduct. Hopefully people start withdrawing support for Harvard, leading to declining business.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 1 year ago (4 children)

Lol bullshit. This board decision is literally unprecedented. Even in the face of previous student protests. It's a complete rug pull after a massive time and financial investment. I can't remember the name right now but that's 100 percent actionable in US courts.

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[–] [email protected] 48 points 1 year ago (2 children)

If a dropout from Harvard starts a company doing literally anything then I would like to invest, please.

[–] [email protected] 42 points 1 year ago

Outrageous.

[–] [email protected] 38 points 1 year ago (4 children)

McCarthyism is well alive.

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[–] [email protected] 35 points 1 year ago (3 children)
[–] [email protected] 15 points 1 year ago

High time people use this word

[–] [email protected] 11 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I don't even think you have to go that far. You paid money, you earned grades, you graduate. It's almost like a contract?

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[–] [email protected] 9 points 1 year ago

I remember that word

[–] [email protected] 34 points 1 year ago

I can just see an alumni from another institution waiving their fees just to go after Harvard for this "decision".

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[–] [email protected] 23 points 1 year ago (1 children)

So they aren't being given their first amendment rights... Oh boy I can't wait to see how this plays out at other companies.

[–] [email protected] 34 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Harvard isn't a government funded organization, so the first amendment doesn't apply. Hopefully the students find a way to sue based on the college's own rules though.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Well, technically, they do receive some government funding but the terms of the funds being allotted don't include adherence to the first amendment. It's not an entity controlled by state or federal government directly.

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[–] [email protected] 20 points 1 year ago

My read on the article was that this was the corporation tipping their hand on how that process was going to play out, but I could certainly be wrong. read to me like the faculty voted for them to graduate, but this was the board vetoing that and affirming that they were still to be dealt with, and that the consequences were going to be grim. Hopefully that’s not the case.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

Good ol' United States of Israel. Once the Global South becomes the new world order, the global power, chit is gon' get really real.

I wonder when Americans, or better yet, the citizens of the world will ever realize that.. the only form of protest that works is BDS.

Money is their god. Disrupt their money and they will listen.

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