I realized the irony of posting this on unpopular opinions hosted on lemmy.world, which is actually demonstrating the issue!
this post was submitted on 23 May 2024
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would be cool to link to current federation issues so people would actually see what's happening and how vast the problem is. I'm sure someone must've already made a list
Good point, here is a post I made today, you can see I don't get the comments on my lemmy instance. https://lemmy.world/post/15702974 vs https://hackertalks.com/post/3065575
I also updated the main post with general links to the issue. My one example just demonstrates it's happening to other instances not just Australian instances, but the Australians have done the best documentation of it so far.
For that example, there may be something else going on. The time behind graph for Lemmy World- > Hacker Talks seems to only average about 90 seconds. Some of the comments that show up on LW were made hours ago. If it were just federation delay, they should have arrived already.
Assuming those are going straight to your Lemmy server and not to a proxy that buffers them? If you've got a federation proxy buffering those, then the graph would be off since it wouldn't show what's sitting queued in your buffer.
You still definitely have a point. Every couple of weeks, my instance seems to start lagging behind by several hours and then goes back to normal after a few days. Still not sure why unless there's just a huge uptick in activities being sent out from LW. I made a post about it yesterday, but it doesn't dive too deep into the technical details; basically just an info post to let people on my instance know I'm aware and trying to do what I can about it.
Good point. And thank you for the graph. It could be that the activity pub protocol is best effort, and if lemmyworld is overloaded, or just dropping packets, whatever activity was supposed to be sent at that moment gets lost forever. That would explain me divergence, and lack of eventual consistency
But I only have data for missing posts from lemmy world, and only some communities.
I don't know the actual cause of the issue, but I think it is definitely related to the size of the instance. So from an empirical perspective the advice is still promote communities on non-mega instances
There is a very simple explanation for this specific case: nobody on hackertalks.com is subscribed to [email protected]!
Most community related activities on Lemmy will only be sent to instances that have at least one subscriber for the community.
Just like libertarianism would soon lead to single party Government, then eventually to Democracy, most people just want a less shit version or Reddit.
This whole Federation thing is a good principal, but most people just wanted a less crappy version of Reddit.
Most people may have just wanted a less crap version of Reddit, but how you make Reddit less crap is that you spread out the moderation and also don’t grow power in admins. That’s what federation (mostly) does. I just think we need a way to transfer a user and also to load multiple profiles.
I also don’t understand why federation needs to be the way it is. I feel like instances could present a “read-only” version of themselves to defederated instances so that users could at least read the posts but not interact.
Leave Lemmy.world for other reasons too.
I’m still irritated that when I signed up last summer, it was like: it doesn’t matter which instance you choose because we’re all connected.
It’s not true. Lemmy.world relies too much on banning communities and even entire instances. I am the one who should be entitled to make those decisions, not Lemmy.world.
Consider coming to SDF Chatter or Lemmy.today instead.
Remember when they allowed the piracy communities just to get rid of them again?
I was gone by then and smugly rubbing my hands together from across the room mwahaha
sshhh… it just works :)
cause shit just works, yknow?
I always read it like : shit just works.
Never thought about it as sshhh
I used to be on feddit but it shit the bed and the admin hasn't been able to fix it for over a month.
Before that I was on lemmy.ml but I was banned for speaking truth to China.
Every time I add a new instance I gotta go in and block all the communities I don't like all over again
World was the first one where I got an account quickly without some weird application process. And now I can't easily migrate.
It's also easy to sign up at lemmynsfw
It took me 5 months of multiple attempts trying to get into Lemmy.
I tried so many different instances.
.world was the only instance that would let me in.
can someone please explain to me why it's so difficult to get into some instances?
Why was world the only one I could get into?
have you tried sdf.org, the I am registered to? It's fairly easy to register last time.
Huh. I saw some list when I was joining detailing different instances and why you might join them. There was zero issue when I picked the instance I'm on (lemmy.zip), but I'm not sure if that list still exists.
That's why I made an account on sdf.