You might be wondering why this information isn't public already. Republicans passed a law to keep this information private. Yes, they're protecting the identity of criminals selling guns to cartels.
Fucking vote
this post was submitted on 23 May 2024
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I'm voting to stop elites from disarming the proletariat
You mean against the "take the guns first" and "blue lives matter" party, right? You're against authoritarians being able to take guns and being able to freely murder citizens who did nothing other than possess a firearm, right?
so Republican, got it.
Ok but what if the proletariat are stupid and have bad taste?
Then they shouldn't get to vote either.
Edit: Hmm seems like people only like gatekeeping some rights. Interesting. Personally I think if stupid people deserve one right, they deserve the rest of them too, unless they prove themselves to be a danger to society of course which also applies to "the intelligent."
And while we're at it, what is your metric for stupid, not college graduates? Only engineers? "Only people who can spell, (in english)" and so fuck ESL people? Stupid is ~~as stupid does~~ frankly rather subjective, someone who you consider "stupid" for having bad grammar may be a math wizard, better than you, and you never knew, who then is stupid? Both? Neither? "Stupidity" is not a good enough metric to deny anyone any rights. Thank you for coming to my Ted Talk.
Why would they bother to disarm you? They make billions of dollars a year selling you guns and you're no threat to them at all, physically or politically.
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Republicans passed a law to keep this information private.
They passed a law requiring the Mexican Government to keep it private? Fascinating...tell me more!
Per the linked article.
"Gun trace data is kept out of public view by a rider to a Congressional bill known as the “Tiahrt Amendment,” passed in 2003 to shield gun shops from scrutiny. Each year, the ATF provides a count of the guns recovered in Mexico that had been bought in the U.S., with no further details."
Nothing to do with the Mexican govt. The US govt passed a law in 2003 to prevent gun sale data from being public record. This includes sales of firearms eventually used in armed conflicts in Mexico.
Nothing to do with the Mexican govt.
I'm interested to know how the Mexican Government, who also had / has the trace data, is bound by the Tiahart Amendment.
I know it's going to be an unpopular opinion but I really see no problem with the Tiahart Amendment shielding Firearms Manufacturers and Gun Stores. The Manufacturers are already regulated and monitored directly by the Federal Government and Gun Stores can only make sales in compliance with Federal Law. They should not be culpable in either Criminal or Civil court for that reason. The truth is that most of the organization who want that data aren't working in Good Faith and only want it so they can launch lawsuits meant to force Manufacturers and Sellers out of business.
It gets even worse at the individual level. There is absolutely zero cause for firearm transaction records to an individual to be publicly available. It's not only a gross violation of privacy but it's also a security concern.
What you SHOULD be mad about is why the BATFE, who clearly and provably does have this data, isn't doing something with it. They already know literally everything in this article and yet they don't seem to be doing much about it. Why?
I can be both mad that this data isn't public record and that the BATFE aren't doing their jobs.
I would disagree that there's zero reason for this data to be public record. I'd agree with you if we were just shielding individuals who are purchasing like one handgun or something. That's something that I don't think is anyone else's business. But if a dude is buying 95 semi-automatic rifles in a short period of time you bet your ass I think that should be public knowledge. No one should be able to secretly purchase enough firearms to arm a small militia.
But if a dude is buying 95 semi-automatic rifles in a short period of time you bet your ass I think that should be public knowledge.
I disagree, I really don't see why it's any business of the PUBLIC (nor is there anything you could do about it.) But hold on...
No one should be able to secretly purchase enough firearms to arm a small malitia.
That's the thing, it's NOT "secret". The FBI and the BATFE both know they are just choosing not to do anything about it. I mean they literally KNOW, and not in some vague / abstract manner that is time delayed. They know in near real time that one purchaser has submitted a 4473 with multiple firearms on it and they also know if a single purchaser submits multiple form 4473s.
So when Craig Adlong was showing up to the Gun Store and buying 15,16,17 Rifles at a time multiple times a week both the BATFE and the FBI KNEW and chose not to do anything. They could have delayed or denied any of the transfers (sales) and / or sent out a Field Agent to figure out what was going on. They didn't.
This is the foundation of my "The public doesn't need to know" argument when it comes to individuals. Assuming the Gun Store is complying with Federal Law then this isn't happening in secret. At least two different Federal Law Enforcement Agencies know about it.
I would say that most of the PUBLIC wants to know if someone is doing illegal arms dealing to murderous Mexican cartels in their town.
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You should really make a token effort to read the article before trying to be a smug fuck about it.
Yeah, its time for democrats to protect the identity of criminals selling guns to cartels.
Fucking vote
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From 2006-2011 agents in Arizona stood down as straw purchasers illegally bought 2,000 guns at shops, intending to use the information to track trafficking patterns and arrest the kingpins. However, agents didn’t deliver the high-level arrests – and in the process, they lost track of hundreds of guns.
This is the shit I think of when I'm paying my taxes.
This shit is why 2A Advocates were so pissed off about Operation Fast & Furious and wouldn't shut up about it for years. The BATFE forced the gun shops involved to sell the weapons even when they didn't want to!
Seriously, the whole thing was a shitshow from start to finish and when the manure caught fire everyone involved from the Field Agents through AG Eric Holder lied their assess off about it.
This illustrates perfectly the need to be able to sue gun manufacturers & retailers. Until they’re hit in the pocketbook, this shit’ll never stop.
Seeing which Gun Sellers are behind Mexican Cartel Violence is AGAINST THE CONSTITUTION!
There’s two sides to every tortilla and as a gun runner, I’m very upset my personal information might be involved in this hack. We need comprehensive privacy laws and real consequences for data breaches. Otherwise, these tech companies will treat this like a cost of doing business.
U.S. gun shops and smugglers tied to 78,000 firearms recovered south of the border
Oh shit! Wild reveal coming up!
The top 6 (see chart in the article) account for 1,102 total guns, 1.4%. 942 from Academy and Cabela's, 1.2%.
So, uh, what's the story here? That a tiny fraction of guns recovered were from 2 of America's top gun retail outlets?
This is a non-story, nothing to see here except a couple of small timers profiteering.
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Didn't we know this for years?
We're a net-exporter of firearms to south of the border.
In effect, we've created a key component of the problem that inevitably feeds mass migration north to flee said crime and poverty.
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I thought we were over the whole "USA bad m'kay" but then shit like that turns up. It's not okay.
USA has always been bad. We aren't over that. If anything, we're just getting fucking started.
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