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[–] [email protected] 3 points 10 months ago (2 children)

I'm seeing a lot of AI apologists in here. I want the leisure time required to create art, instead of being fucking burned out from working multiple jobs and spending all my available free time doing chores. Fuck AI, fuck the uncompensated artists and illegitimate theft of those works used to train the AI, and fuck you for normalizing it.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (1 children)

Let me make it clear first. Generative AI is not art. Prompt engineering is not a real job.

AI is just a tool. It is still waiting for an artist to use it to create art, just as a Photography or Photoshop image is not an art by itself.

But... training with images is the same as humans learning how to draw, though..... I know it's boring but what you said is boring too. We could fall back to the same conversation over and over because you start with the same conversation again and again.

FUCK AI, and also FUCK PEOPLE AGAINST AI, Good thing I hate everyone!

[–] [email protected] 1 points 10 months ago (1 children)

"Prompt engineer" is on a lower level than "tarot fortune teller" for me. As a fortune teller, you are required to have people skills, as a prompt engineer, you just have to be an opportunistic dork.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 10 months ago

A prompt engineer is nowhere near a tarot card user. Tarot cards do not contribute to a gigantic machine that eats job opportunities and spits out misinfo.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 10 months ago (1 children)

AI apologists

Im not an "AI apologist" because theres nothing to apologise for.

Much like im not an "automatic loom apologist" or a "steam engine apologist"

[–] [email protected] 1 points 10 months ago

Apologist comes from the greek word "apologia", which means "speech in defense." Apologetics isn't apologizing, it's defending.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (2 children)

That’s a problem with unchecked capitalism, not AI. Remember how George Jetson was able to have a house in the sky, a suitcase spaceship, full home automation, a robot maid, and supported his whole family by pushing a button? Consider how many people lived and worked on the ground beneath the cloud cover to make that possible.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 10 months ago

The Jetsons were the 1% and the Flintstones were the rest.

They were the Elysium space station people

[–] [email protected] 1 points 10 months ago

Remember how he also only worked 3 days a week, and had job security even though he was fired every episode?

George Jetson had a very good union.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 10 months ago (1 children)

capitalism is the reason why AI is doing art

[–] [email protected] 1 points 10 months ago

Calling AI generated pictures "art" is insulting to most artists. I agree though, all this hype is driven by short-sighted capitalism

[–] [email protected] 0 points 10 months ago (1 children)

It’s been absolutely fascinating watching people catch on to what has happened literally every fucking time we invent paradigm-shifting advances.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 10 months ago

"AI" is just the new sales buzzword to replace "smart" devices since they probably finally realized that the shit they were pushing out wasn't all that smart just because it required an app to function.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 10 months ago (1 children)

TL;DR:
The misuse of technology in capitalism threatens jobs and financial stability. Affordable robots and AI could either enhance our lives or lead to unemployment and misery. Proposals like an automation tax could fund education or basic income. We need good legislation to ensure technology benefits everyone, not just profits. Recent steps like Europe's AI act offer a little hope, but a lot more political action is urgently needed.

Long Version:
From my perspective, the core of the problem is not the technology, but the reckless way we use it in our capitalistic system. Or let's say, let it be used.

For example, a light load robotic industrial arm costs merely 1k to 5k € nowadays. The software for it is cheap as well.
What the business owners and managers see, is not an awesome new invention which could help to propel humanity into the future of a robotic utopia, but cheap labour force, aiding them to cut jobs in order to maximize their profit margin as human labour is expensive.

I am sure AI and robots are our future, one way or another, whether we want it or not.
But I would like to see a future where AI and robots help us to increase our quality of life, instead of making us unemployed and endagering our financial survival.

There are various ideas how this could be achieved. I don't intend to go way too in-depth here, so just as an example:
an automation tax: estimate to which amount a business can be automated and then demand a tax proportional to how much the business was automated. Such a tax could then be used to finance higher education for people or a universal basic income. Maybe at first just an income for those who can't get a decent job due to automation.

We had similar developments as those we see now with virtually all technological advances, where human labour was replaced by more and more clever machines. Jobs where lost due to that but it could still be seen as a good thing in general.

An important difference is the level of required skills though. Someone who's job it was to go around a street and light gas lanterns every day, extinguishing them some time afterwards, was replaced by electric light grids. A switchboard operator at a telephone company, who connected people manually, got replaced by clever hardware. And so on. Those people didn't require high skills for their job though. They had it a bit easier to find another one.

This becomes increasingly difficult as AI and technology in general advances. Recently we see how robots and AI are capabable of tasks where higher skills are necessary. And it's probable that this trend will incresingly continue. At some point, we will have AI developing new and better AI. An explosion of artificial intelligence can then be expected.

It's less a problem as long as people have job prospects in higher skilled work levels. But that will, for a while at least, not be the case. This has different reasons:

As I see it, we have a "work pyramid", where the levels of the pyramid represent the required skills and the width of the pyramid levels represent the amount of available jobs. In other words, there is a way higher demand for low skilled work than for high skilled work. (BTW, what I mean by work skill is the level of specialisation and proficiency, often connected to more intense and long training and education.)

As recent developments in AI now slowly creep into higher and higher levels, people may start investing in their own education in order to even get a job. But higher skilled work is less available making it increasingly tight and problematic to get one.

There may of course also be an effect observable where new jobs are created by enabling more even higher skilled jobs due to the aid of AI, but I think this has limitations. On the one hand, the amount of jobs created that way might be insufficient. On the other hand, people might not want to or can't get an education for that.

The latter needs to be emphasized from my perspective. There are a lot of people who simply don't want to study for a decade in order to get a PhD in something so that they can get some highly specialised job. Some people like the more simple jobs, those requiring more manual than cognitive labour. And that's totally fine. People should be happy and like the work they do.

Currently, not all people even have access to that kind of education. Be it due to limitations in available places at universities / colleges, or due to financial reasons or even due to physical or mental health reasons.

You may now understand, why I see that we are going to create more misery if we don't change the way we handle such things.

I would like to see humanity in that robotic utopia. No one needs to work, as most work is done by AI and robots. But everyone can get a fair share and live a happy life however they would like to live it. They can work, take up some interest and pursue it, but no one needs to.

But currently, this is probably not going to happen. We need good legislation, need to create a system where advancements in AI and robotics can be made without driving people into financial ruin. We need to set those guarding rails which help to guide us towards such a robotic utopia.

That's why I am advocating for putting this topic higher on political priority lists. Politics worldwide don't have it even set on their agenda. They are missing crucial time frames. And I really hope they'll wake up from that slumber and start working on it. I've got some hope. Europe recently passed their first AI act.
It's a start.

Sincerely,

A roboticist working in AI and robot research.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 10 months ago

Affordable robots and AI could either enhance our lives or lead to unemployment and misery.

See also Mashall Brain's "Manna"

[–] [email protected] 0 points 10 months ago

Nobody stops her from doing art and writing.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (1 children)

Anyone who believes AI is being used for art/writing and not for other things like doing the dishes, has a myopic understanding and a strong confirmation bias. This strawman argument is defeated by a simple Google search to see the multitude of other places where this technology is benefiting humanity.

AI is helping physicists speed up experiments into supernovae to better understand the universe.

AI is helping doctors to expedite cancer screening rates.

Oh, and AI is powering robots that can do the dishes too.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 10 months ago

Isn't it more relevant to point out, that washing machines are using machine learning algorithms for years?