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[–] venusaur@lemmy.world 179 points 10 months ago (57 children)

Ranked Choice Voting! Find your local RCV group and find ways to help get RCV implemented in your city! It’s something that sees opposition from republicans and democrats so you know it’s good.

[–] chetradley@lemmy.world 31 points 10 months ago (3 children)

I'm a fan of STAR voting myself, but anything is better than the first past the post system we have now.

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[–] ceenote@lemmy.world 131 points 10 months ago (2 children)

It's stunning that each party managed to find a candidate that could lose against the other.

[–] return2ozma@lemmy.world 29 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (16 children)

If the election was today, Biden would lose. Imagine if Trump wasn't the nominee for November, the GOP would win the presidency.

Edit: it's just reality according to the current polling.

[–] someguy3@lemmy.world 33 points 10 months ago (19 children)

B-B-Biden bad! You really got to get it in huh.

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[–] Leate_Wonceslace@lemmy.dbzer0.com 32 points 10 months ago (1 children)

according to the current polling

I've said it before, and I'll say it again: the polls are likely skewed towards the GOP, and it's thought that this is because of random text/calls, which boomers are more likely to respond to.

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[–] UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 25 points 10 months ago (2 children)

Its not that stunning. In fact, its more common than you'd guess.

Only Ford could lose to Carter. Only Dukakis could lose to Bush. Only Hillary could lose to Trump. Hindsight 20/20. Foresight blind as a fucking bat.

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[–] NaibofTabr@infosec.pub 93 points 10 months ago (4 children)

The existence of Project 2025 makes all of the "which candidate is better?" discussion completely irrelevant. If you support the people that support Project 2025 then you're a bootlicker who wants to end popular representation in the government and replace it with authoritarianism. If you are vocally against the people who oppose Project 2025 then you are collaborating with the enemy.

Any other option is better.

[–] jorp@lemmy.world 19 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Meanwhile Project 2025 on the Democrat side is the codename for the medical advances being pursued to keep Biden functioning through to 2025.

(I kid of course, you're absolutely right, as depressing as that is)

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[–] UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 18 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (6 children)

The existence of Project 2025

Republicans have a shitty pre-election plan in the run up to every election. This isn't any different than every other election cycle, from the perspective of "Bad Republicans promise to do bad things".

Any other option is better.

The illusion of electoral choice is choking the life out of any actual democracy in this country. Time and time again, we're told which party is The Worst and that Anyone Else Would Be Better. That's how Trump won in 2016 ffs. Republicans doomed themselves to a decade of this manic fascist bumblefuckery by whipping themselves into an "Anyone but Hillary!" feeding frenzy.

If you are vocally against the people who oppose Project 2025 then you are collaborating with the enemy.

You're either with us, or you're with the terrorists!

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[–] EndlessApollo@lemmy.world 17 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (16 children)

Not wanting biden to commit genocide isn't collaborating with the enemy, that's what you're doing by shutting down discussion of that. Republicans want more Palestinians dead, and you're helping to give them what they want. What's so cool about genocide that you think people should shut up and just take it? What a cool smart moral guy you are, calling people bootlickers if they don't quietly accept genocide

[–] glimse@lemmy.world 27 points 10 months ago (13 children)

Your comment would carry a whole lot more weight if we didn't have this shitty FPTP system...but we do.

In this system, it's a vote for a shitty Democrat or a vote for authoritarianism.

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[–] Leviathan@lemmy.world 70 points 10 months ago (22 children)

I think Trump retiring and the Republicans replacing him with a charismatic, young, intelligent christofascist would be devastating for the Democrats (and humanity) right now and I don't know why they don't do it.

For that matter I don't see why Democrats don't replace Biden with a charismatic, young, intelligent social democrat which would be equally devastating for republicans. So who knows with these people.

[–] taiyang@lemmy.world 21 points 10 months ago (16 children)

Charismatic + Young + Intelligent + Christofascist...

0 results found.

I think Republicans might need to remove one search criterion to make that work.

As for Dems... that might just be AOC? Lol

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[–] Croquette@sh.itjust.works 18 points 10 months ago (2 children)

They don't do it because it doesn't serve them personally. As we have seen time and time again, politicians are mostly griftfers that will flip on a dime and change their moral compass just so that they can benefit from the situation.

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[–] The_Picard_Maneuver@lemmy.world 63 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (25 children)

This is the current state of US politics - it's more about who you're against than who you're for, and I firmly believe this is the reason why no scandals seem to matter anymore.

On the conservative side, they get a steady stream of content telling them how horrible Biden and the Democrats are, so anyone with a heartbeat and an (R) next to their name is fine. It's probably how Trump of all people became the party leader.

[–] natecox@programming.dev 22 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Strategic voting is a direct result of first past the post voting; effectively any system that uses FPTP will result in a two party system where your vote gets used against the other person not for your choice.

I’ll continue to shill for ranked choice voting whenever I see any opportunity.

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[–] kromem@lemmy.world 45 points 10 months ago (1 children)

"People voting for watching paint dry instead of poking sticks in their eyes appear to be mostly motivated by avoiding sticks...in their eyes."

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[–] Squirrel@thelemmy.club 40 points 10 months ago

That was also true in 2020. And in 2016 for Hillary.

[–] hperrin@lemmy.world 37 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (3 children)

I have never whole heartedly supported the Democratic candidate (because I'm far more left than any of them have ever been), but I've always voted for them, because they're far better than the other option. This time they're just so far better than the other option, not because they are any better, but because the other option is so astoundingly worse. So, I guess, welcome to the club.

But I will say, Biden has been more progressive than any other candidate in my lifetime. Again, that's not saying much, but hey, it's better than nothing. He's just killing himself by supporting Israel.

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[–] exanime@lemmy.today 32 points 10 months ago (11 children)

Isn't this the general sad state of democracy? Specially in America and it's 2 party system?

Rarely people get to vote for whom they want, they vote against the one they dislike/fear the most

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[–] letsgo2themall@lemmy.world 31 points 10 months ago (11 children)

Biden has not been as bad as I expected him to be, but he is out of touch with the average American. Politicians need mandatory retirements. We need someone under the age of 65. But I'll take him over the convicted felon.

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[–] Semi_Hemi_Demigod@lemmy.world 28 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (15 children)

Anyone who who is capable of getting themselves made president should on no account be allowed to do the job.

ETA: Anyone downvoting this is not a hoopy frood

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[–] Snowclone@lemmy.world 28 points 10 months ago (1 children)

In other news, water is wet.

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[–] theywilleatthestars@lemmy.world 27 points 10 months ago (1 children)
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[–] verdantbanana@lemmy.world 26 points 10 months ago (11 children)

same reason people blindly follow Trump

four years we still have low wages and higher costs, women lost rights held for over half a century, police are still running amuck, environmental concerns abound, genocide, antiimmigration policies

and Trump's resume does not look any better

and the same people will scream and pitch a fit if anyone suggest a third party because it means a vote for that other guy

football politics

[–] Ledivin@lemmy.world 34 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (16 children)

If you think these two candidates are the same, you haven't put literally any effort into paying attention at all, get out of here with your enlightened centrist bullshit.

Yeah, Biden is mediocre at best, and you're usually right about the Dem vs GOP race... but this isn't that, anymore. MAGA is a different beast.

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[–] Texas_Hangover@lemm.ee 26 points 10 months ago (2 children)

Yeah no kidding. Why else would anybody vote for the dude?

[–] cybersandwich@lemmy.world 30 points 10 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (3 children)
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[–] btaf45@lemmy.world 24 points 10 months ago (1 children)

I would absolutely vote for Biden over any Republican. And most Dems, with the notable exception of Sanders.

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[–] givesomefucks@lemmy.world 22 points 10 months ago (3 children)

Biden won 2020 in spite of being Joe Biden, it's why it took almost 40 years for him to win his first presidential primary, people just don't ot want him as president.

Now that we've had him for four years, and he was worse than we expected...

I really don't think he can pull out another razor thin win like in 2020.

We're risking trump so we can have a Dem president that's more conservative than Dem voters want.

There's no logic behind it, except the donor class would rather have trump than a progressive. And just like AIPAC, they decided it's easiest to just buy both parties in the primary.

This is the third election and a row, it's not going to be different in 2028. If voters only requirement is "blue" then nothing is stopping either party from getting more and more conservative every election

[–] TWeaK@lemm.ee 32 points 10 months ago (98 children)

How was Biden worse than expected?

[–] Nougat@fedia.io 19 points 10 months ago

Doesn't matter, all parent commenter needs to do is say it, and it's true!

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[–] ccunning@lemmy.world 26 points 10 months ago (53 children)

Now that we've had him for four years, and he was worse than we expected...

He far exceeded my expectations.

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[–] itsonlygeorge@reddthat.com 22 points 10 months ago

No shit. That’s been his whole platform from the beginning.

[–] CaptainKickass@lemmy.world 22 points 10 months ago (3 children)

The only reason I'm voting for him is that he's not trump.

I'm not voting for Biden, I'm voting against trump

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[–] h3mlocke@lemm.ee 19 points 10 months ago (2 children)

Good thing they conducted a poll to figure this out

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[–] Ballistic_86@lemmy.world 18 points 10 months ago

I thought this was an Onion article at first. Of course most people voting Biden are only doing so because the only other option is convicted felon Donald Trump.

Biden is a loser president in a loser system. But if the option is him or Insurrectionist/Felon/Rapist Donald Trump, it is the option people will vote for.

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