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The teen's parents are calling for charges against the now-former coach.

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[–] [email protected] 64 points 11 months ago (1 children)

The incident allegedly occurred after the coach -- who also served as a hall monitor -- ordered Michael to do pushups because he was horsing around in the hallway, but the teen declined because he had hurt his hand

Cop mentality. Escalate until someone's unconscious.

[–] [email protected] 16 points 11 months ago

This sort of power-trip bullshit pisses me off so much. Kid's "horsing around" in the hallway and it's your job to keep the hallways calm? Then tell them to stop. Is it a pattern of behavior and they don't listen? Assign them an official punishment with the power you've been given: detention of some kind (probably a lunch detention).

Trying to make them do pushups? Fuck off, this is school not the fucking army.

[–] [email protected] 47 points 11 months ago (2 children)

Note they keep saying the coach was an "employee" and not a teacher.

I don't think they even allowed that when I was in middle school in the late 80s. All the coaches were also teachers.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 11 months ago (1 children)

My small school district typically only allows teachers to coach, but it's a huge burden on teachers. We want the kids to have access to sports and clubs, but golly, please just do a background check on and/or train a community member who actually WANTS to coach.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 11 months ago

I'd go with that. Background check and training at minimum should be required.

[–] [email protected] 36 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 20 points 11 months ago (5 children)

As is posted every single time someone comments this, until convicted you are "alleged" to have committed a crime.

No one should want that to change, because any group that is deemed to require summary punishments will be the group dissidents are identified as by the state.

Don't like protestors? They're all pedos now! No trials needed. Thank god we got all those pedos.

The "Alleged" is there to protect your rights. Even the most heinous crimes should be charged in court.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 11 months ago (1 children)

I see the point, but still think it's a misuse of the word "alleged". There is no doubt here that the teacher was strangling the kid: That part is on video, and is true whether or not they're convicted of a crime for it. Whether the strangling was a crime, or whether there were mediating circumstances that make it not a crime is what remains to be determined.

I just think we should be able to separate between "person allegedly committed a crime", which needs to be proven in court, or "person did XYZ and there is video evidence and multiple independent eyewitnesses accounts of it", which shouldn't need to be proven in court.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 11 months ago (1 children)

It's not up to a newspaper to declare any person as a criminal. "Alleged" is the only word they can use legally. And if we allow them to label people as criminals, all the hell will break lose.

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[–] [email protected] 4 points 11 months ago (1 children)

How about their usage here which is:

alleged "assault"

[–] [email protected] 4 points 11 months ago

It's quoting someone if you read the rest of that paragraph.

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[–] [email protected] 28 points 11 months ago (3 children)

Slightly off topic but this is a perfect example of why school staff should not be carrying firearms.

[–] [email protected] 18 points 11 months ago

Disagree.

You're right on-topic.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 11 months ago

I mean, American police can’t even handle firearms responsibly. How are teachers expected to?

[–] [email protected] 4 points 11 months ago (2 children)

As an European, the only armed teachers working with kids should be the daycare teachers at Svalbard.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Gotta keep those puffins in check

[–] [email protected] 2 points 11 months ago

I was more thinking of the polar bears

[–] [email protected] 3 points 11 months ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 2 points 11 months ago

Polar bears can be hungry

[–] [email protected] 19 points 11 months ago (2 children)

The Washtenaw County Prosecutor's Office confirmed to ABC News on Wednesday that they have authorized two charges against the defendant in the case -- assault with intent to do great bodily harm by strangulation, as well as assault and battery, a misdemeanor. No additional details in the case were released.

Worth noting that many jurisdictions have begun separating out attempted strangulation from regular battery/assault, because the statistics on attempted strangulation are incredibly harrowing. A victim who has been strangled by someone is 750% more likely to be murdered by that person within a year. Strangulation is a really really strong indicator of future murder. To the point that if you find out your partner has strangled someone in the past, you should strongly consider planning your escape.

There may be some correlation ≠ causation here, but it’s also interesting to theorize about why it may be so strongly correlated. Is it because murderers are naturally predisposed to strangling victims? Is it because people who strangle are more likely to ”accidentally” kill their victim during an altercation, as compared to someone who simply uses their fists? Is it because murderers tend to fantasize about or fixate on strangulation? Regardless of the reason, the stats are… Not great. This former coach has no business being anywhere near a school.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 11 months ago

I suspect it's s matter of intent, conscious or subconscious. If a person strangles a victim, they are deliberately targeting a vulnerable part that has a high likelihood of killing if severely damaged. Even if they only intend harm and not death, it even if they're so blind mad that they're running on instinct, that's an attempt to cause potentially lethal harm. A punch is far less likely to do so - even some gunshot wounds can be more survivable than strangulation. So yeah, it really should be up there in the same category as adult with deadly force.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 11 months ago

I don't know how many people would be accidentally strangled by their abusers - from what I understand, it takes a fair few minutes and bit of effort to strangle someone to death.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 11 months ago (1 children)

"allegedly" ... "caught on surveillance video". huh?

[–] [email protected] 8 points 11 months ago (1 children)

That’s ethics. It has to be proven in court before the press can report on it as fact. Until then, it’s libel to say anything but alleged.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Not just ethics; until found guilty they could be held civil liable if they didn't say "allegedly".

[–] [email protected] 2 points 11 months ago

Hence my reference to libel.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 11 months ago (1 children)

How was this scumbag not arrested immediately?

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[–] [email protected] 3 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (1 children)

Middle school? In that image, the kid looks bigger than the teacher.

[–] [email protected] 11 points 11 months ago

Some people have an early growth spurt and people get held back a year sometimes to repeat a grade. The size of the child isn’t relevant here, it is still wrong to choke anybody.