Unrealistic: in the real version, no awnser would be declared as fact. Even if one is clearly wrong the awnser will always be:
"It is important that we listen to both sides"
this post was submitted on 16 Jun 2024
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Social media in a nutshell
YOURE WRONG AND HERE LET ME EXPLAIN WHY BUT INSTEAD OF EXPLAINING I USE A PERSONAL ATTACK
The next US presidential debate in a nutshell.
“If you can’t pound the facts, pound the table”.
— republicans.
Commenting against the Lemmy narrative be like:
How do you shout over somebody in a text forum?
LIKE THIS
What is the Lemmy narrative from your experience?
Israel bad, AI bad, police bad, Elon bad, Capitalism bad, Boeing bad, Microsoft bad, Apple bad, Facebook bad, rich people bad, landlords bad, C.E.O.s bad, ads bad, cars bad, SUVs/trucks very bad, piracy good, bikes good, uBlock Origin good, trains good, Linux good, bats good, Ukraine good, protests good, socialism good ...
Linux good should have been repeated at least 5 times in that list
I agree. Cannot repeat that one often enough.
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i can easily agree with 90% of that. The remaining 10% needs asterisks pointing towards further nuanced discussion. I'll not specify which topics go into which category.
I also agree with most of that, but that doesn't make it OK to downvote opinions to the contrary for no other reason than "I disagree".
If comments of different perspectives, made in good faith get downvoted to oblivion then participation is discouraged, debate gets replaced with circle jerking and Lemmy becomes a very boring and out of touch echo chamber just like Reddit.
Downvotes should only be used for comments that are off topic, factually incorrect, hateful or made in bad faith etc.
Downvotes should only be used for comments that are off topic, factually incorrect, hateful or made in bad faith etc.
So something like this comment: https://lemmy.ca/comment/9747509 Which equates not liking Elon Musk with hate groups against minorities?
Usually when people complain about something like "the Lemmy Narrative" they're usually not bringing nuanced discussion to their posts and are just upset that people aren't agreeing with their "hot takes."
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Shit takes get downvoted. Rational disagreements don't.
If you define a "shit take" as a comment that is factually wrong and or harmful, that's fine and I've already said that. If your idea of a "shit take" is "I don't like / disagree with your opinion" then I hope you're fine with Lemmy becoming an out of touch echo chamber and I've also already said that. Why am I having to repeat myself?
It doesn't take much browsing here to see plenty of rational disagreements that have been downvoted for failing to conform with the groupthink.
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Do you have an example on why any of these povs are wrong?
No, I don't think any of those claims is entirely wrong but I don't fully agree with most of them either.
What's this!? Complexity in your opinions!? Don't 100% agree or disagree on something based on a 3-5 word sentence?! Straight to jail.
Nuance is bad. It tries to make people think and that hurts their head!
I'm a renter, and my parents have never owned a house, so I've dealt with landlords all my life. I don't agree with "landlord bad". Are there shitty landlords? Yes. But it's a leap to go from that to "all landlords are bad".
Can you imagine the backlash from the same left-leaning group that goes "landlord bad" if you applied the same logic to a racial or religious group?
Landlords serve an important purpose in the marketplace and any uncontrolled rampant exploitation is a failure of the government and not the entire group of people who sell the service.
No one's born a landlord. It's not comparable to race in any way. Comparing racism to being against unregulated and manufactured housing scarcity feels like a really bad faith argument.
Okay, ignore race, consider only religion.
People are born into a religion and are free to leave it or embraced a different religion. It is completely in their choice.
Similarly, people can be born into a family that owns zero to two properties, are free to acquire more or sell what they have. It is completely in their choice.
Why is it okay to judge one group by the actions of "a few bad apples" and not the other?
So while I'm undecided on landlords, I think your logic is flawed. Are you saying that criticising the concept of owning land and charging people for housing is the same as being born into a socially constructed group or the same as choosing or being born into a organization structured around shared beliefs? Because I'm not sure they're quite the same thing.
No, I'm saying that it's unfair to criticize an entire group of people for the actions of some people who happen to belong to the same group while the rest are perfectly fine contributors to society.
On the other hand, if the sole purpose of the group is to spread hate/cause unrest/violence then I'd be okay with hating the entire group.
Hating landlord-ism as a concept makes sense to a certain extent, but I'm yet to see a realistic alternative provided by anyone. Hating landlords is something that I don't agree with. --> this seems to be a controversial stance.
Along the same lines, I hate religion but I don't hate all religious people. --> this isn't that controversial a stance. They're both essentially the same to me.
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Lol what maniac would hold opposite opinions for all of these? I like AI though.
I like AI though.
Burn the heretic! Buuuurrrrrnnnn!
Probably someone with limited reasoning capabilities who sees the world as black and white and thinks things are either good or bad but can't see the near infinite amount of nuance and complexity in them.
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Wow, quite an extensive list. Haven't expected that. Thanks for sharing!
Yeah, I guess there is some truth to it.
Wait, aide from all the others, "Boeing bad" is just a narrative? Dude, have you been living under a rock?
To be honest, I agree with all of these. Seeme line I am at the right place.
Imo the only actually divisive opinions are around tipping.
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I'm Sam Reich and I've been here the whole time!
That's gonna be...
* rolls a dice *
16 points taken away from Brennan
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Republican debates in a nutshell.
Not just republicans / politically right-wing oriented folks. From my experience you encounter this everywhere where people haven't learnt how to have a civilised discussion. An important part of this is the ability to self-reflect and distinguish emotions from opinions from facts. Humans are emotional beings in their core and therefore the most are fallible. It's only natural to resort to an emotionally driven and often stubborn defence mode if one encounters a contrary opinion. Even more so if that opinion is expressed in an emotionally loaded manner. It's unfortunately a very counter-productive human behaviour.
And we have that a lot on the internet. Sadly.
Not only right wing, but mostly right wing. The left isn't the side mostly denying the science of climate change, or the medical consensus of vaccines and gender reassignment therapy.
Unfortunately, this is what happens to people who give up on learning and critical thinking. They glom onto people who can shout bullshit in a loud, confident voice because the bullshit is more important to them than the person actually being right.
And let's face it, everyone is vulnerable to that shit in some way or the other. But being conscious of that vulnerability is the first step.
Kevin got the point so he wins.
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