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[–] [email protected] 258 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (7 children)

Yall need to learn some history.

The liberal SDP split with the communists, supporting "centrist" Hindenburg in the name of unity.

The communists campaigned on "A vote for Hindenburg is a vote for Hitler is a vote for war"

Hindenburg won the election, getting more votes than either the communist or fascist candidates.

Hindenburg, the liberal candidate, then proceeded to make Hitler the chancellor and staff positions of power with nazis while purging the government of communists.

The nazis then barely had to do anything to assert complete control.

The nazis didn't get in power because communists stayed home, they got into power because the liberals would rather work with fascists than communists.

[–] [email protected] 96 points 9 months ago

Those lib kids would be very upset if they could read

[–] [email protected] 56 points 9 months ago

The Nazis didn’t get in power because communists stayed home, they got into power because the liberals would rather work with fascists than communists.

Lets not bury the lede. You run weak Democrats, you comprise with fascists (or just do the policies yourself; Biden's border bill, Congressional support for making criticism of Israel a hate crime) : this is the path you put us on.

[–] [email protected] 27 points 9 months ago (2 children)

Cool. In this comparison, none of that matters and the Tweet has a completely valid point.

Unless you suspect Biden will be appointing Trump in his cabinet if he wins?

[–] [email protected] 63 points 9 months ago (4 children)

We've been saying from day one, that if Biden doesn't move to the left and use every tool at his disposal to improve people's material conditions, Trump's going to win in 2024.

Biden didn't just not go left, he tried to outflank the republicans from the right by facilitating genocide, ending covid protections, and passing the most draconian border bill since like the 40s.

This is the closest thing he could have done to handing Trump the presidency, short of appointing him VP and stepping down.

[–] [email protected] 36 points 9 months ago

Biden didn't just not go left, he tried to outflank the republicans from the right by facilitating genocide, ending covid protections, and passing the most draconian border bill since like the 40s.

This is one of the worst examples of confirmation bias I have ever seen. The Biden Administration's entire record is out there for you to peruse, and you pick 3 things out of hundreds, possibly thousands, that you think justify your comparison.

[–] [email protected] 21 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (6 children)

Your hyperbole is over the top. Trump’s Title 42 and Muslim ban were far worse.

POTUS has no reasonable control over grocery store prices, which is the part of the economy everyone is most concerned with. Last time an Executive Order was used to price fix the food industry, it blew up in Nixon’s face. Supply chain constraints were industry wide, and when the order expired, prices went up far past standard inflation. The other big concern is housing, which could be addressed with legislation if Democrats had congressional majority.

I completely agree about support of Israel. The only comparison is knowing Trump will be worse for Palestinians. It’s terrible to reconcile, but those are the options.

Abstaining isn’t voting for Trump, it’s refusing to stand in his way.

[–] [email protected] 29 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (2 children)

Trump’s Title 42 and Muslim ban were far worse.

Biden waited 3.5 years to end title 42 and tried to close the border. He has deported more people than Trump.

POTUS has no reasonable control over grocery store prices

He literally does though. But there's a million other things he could have done when he had control. Instead we just get excuses about how powerless the party controlling both houses and the presidency was because of Manchin or the parliamentarian or the SCOTUS or some rules the dems set for themselves or norms or whatever.

There's no point in quibbling about whether Biden was less bad than trump, these actions decrease how many people will vote for him. Implementing policy that makes you lose the election is refusing to stand in republican's way.

[–] [email protected] 18 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (1 children)

Wrong.

Biden ended the Muslim Ban on Jan 21, 2021, the day after he was inaugurated.

https://www.usatoday.com/story/travel/news/2021/01/21/biden-executive-order-ends-muslim-travel-ban-donald-trump/4240420001/

He ended Title 42 on May 20, 2022, but the measure was stopped by federal judges. It took until May of 2023 to be completed.

https://www.texastribune.org/2022/05/20/title-42-border-judge-ruling-migrants/

[–] [email protected] 17 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (7 children)

Nobody is talking about the Muslim ban, we're talking about the more recent attempt to close the mexican border.

But it's irrelevant, you're still missing the point.

My point is that Biden's unpopular actions decrease how many people will vote for him. This is how Biden ensures Trump will come to power.

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[–] [email protected] 17 points 9 months ago (3 children)

@disguy_ovahea

You shouldn't engage with this guy. Its always a bait and switch/ false premise/ straw man with this guy.

You make a point about an actual bill (the mexican border bill), he makes it about trump and a muslim ban.

Its always in bad faith. Its a condition of blue MAGA.

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[–] [email protected] 18 points 9 months ago

he tried to outflank the republicans from the right

You really expect to be taken seriously saying some idiotic shit like this?

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[–] [email protected] 25 points 9 months ago (2 children)

It looks a lot like in a way History is repeating itself: the Democrat Establishment in the US (who are a hard neoliberals, not lefties) fielded directly and without a Primary a guy like Biden who is less than in his prime and even supports an ethno-Fascist regime commiting Genocide (and, more importantly, is unwilling to walk back on that support even to improve his odds of winning against Trump, which is what we are being told is the most important thing in the World) all of which is making it far more likely that the Fascists will get power.

There are vast contradictions between what we are being told is the danger of Trump getting elected and the DNC and Biden persistently making choices that increase the chances of Trump getting elected and not walking back on those.

Surelly if "Stop Trump" is the most important thing in the World for them, the Democrat Establishment too would be walking towards the wishes of the electorate not just trying to push the electorate to do all the walking towards the wishes of the Democrat Establishment.

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[–] [email protected] 20 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (8 children)

and lets not forget what stopped hitler wasnt electoralism. it was the soviets, and they needed force at that point.

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[–] [email protected] 20 points 9 months ago (1 children)

During Hitlers Ascent to Power, the communist still considered the SPD to be the bigger threat and refused to march with them. And the SPD of the 1930 were by no means "liberals". They were further to the left than any democrat has ever been.

[–] [email protected] 25 points 9 months ago (7 children)

the communist still considered the SPD to be the bigger threat and refused to march with them

...which was confirmed when they agreed with the Nazis... And when they collaborated with the Freikorps to crush, torture, and murder the communists.

And the SPD of the 1930 were by no means "liberals". They were further to the left than any democrat has ever been.

Go ask Rosa Luxembourg, leader of communists in Germany and murdered at 47 at the order of SPD, how progressive and left the SPD was. "Left is when you agree to murder and torture communists". Fucking revisionists man

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[–] [email protected] 98 points 9 months ago (2 children)

Also, Hitler had to declare a state if emergency to gain the absolute power the Supreme Court has just handed to the US president.

Suffice it to say, something lile this is impossible now in Germany. The justices of our highest court, the Bindesverfassungsgericht, can only hold the job for 12 years and can be no older than 68. They are also always equally voted in by two different branches of the government and need a two thirds majority for any decision.

Our democracy isn't without faults, but this is probably our strongest bulwark against another descent into facsism.

[–] [email protected] 45 points 9 months ago (1 children)

Let's hope it holds up against the AFD

[–] [email protected] 20 points 9 months ago (2 children)

it looks like it isn’t holding up? How are they allowed to still campaign?

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[–] [email protected] 80 points 9 months ago

“dOnT cArE, nOt VoTiNg”

-hexbear

[–] [email protected] 76 points 9 months ago (10 children)

Imagine having a political opponent you consider equal to Hitler and choosing Joe Biden as the candidate you run against him.

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[–] [email protected] 63 points 9 months ago (2 children)

The price good men pay for indifference to public affairs is to be ruled by evil men. — Plato

[–] [email protected] 19 points 9 months ago

Just ask my slaves. Gods, I love slavery. - Plato

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[–] [email protected] 48 points 9 months ago (1 children)

Since this is posted on a shitpost community, I'll just assume it's not supposed to be taken seriously.

[–] [email protected] 20 points 9 months ago (1 children)

Likely testing waters to see if it would land.

We already had trump and biden, and country has been in structural decline since at least 2008.

It doesn't matter who is the next president since there is zero indication current policy will be adjusted in any meaningful way to to provide any relief for working people.

Beatings will continue until morale improves.

Income tax sunset from trump corpo tax cuts coupled with inflation really pinching people this year. But fake news and our dear leaders can't figure why z peasants are bitching since inflation is "down"

[–] [email protected] 25 points 9 months ago (11 children)

there is zero indication current policy will be adjusted in any meaningful way to to provide any relief for working people.

Just a reminder that Biden has been working overtime to provide student debt relief the entire time he's been in office. Republicans have been working overtime to block it.

Student debt shouldn't even exist. We need more education, not less.

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[–] [email protected] 43 points 9 months ago (4 children)

Yeah, and he went away not because they voted him out but thanks to Soviet weapons.

[–] [email protected] 33 points 9 months ago (2 children)

Who allied up with the Nazis to invade Poland?

[–] [email protected] 17 points 9 months ago (12 children)

Soviets were the only ones who truly supported the Spanish democracy against the fascist. Every other country, including Poland, turned their back to us while the Luffwaffle was bombing our citizens.

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[–] [email protected] 31 points 9 months ago (5 children)

And American weapons. Let's not pretend that the USSR fought alone.

[–] [email protected] 23 points 9 months ago (4 children)
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[–] [email protected] 20 points 9 months ago (32 children)
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[–] [email protected] 40 points 9 months ago

Libs trying to teach history before learning it themselves. Iconic.

[–] [email protected] 31 points 9 months ago (1 children)

It didn't just take "Hitler's death" for Germans to be able to vote again. It wasn't a case of "oh look, he's dead, now we can go back to democracy". It took over a decade of political terror and violence, a devastating world war, and one of the most organised campaigns of mass murder and genocide in history.

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[–] [email protected] 30 points 9 months ago (5 children)

So weird to think that that all went down in 14 years. 2010 doesn't seem that long ago.

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[–] [email protected] 27 points 9 months ago

If they survived that is.

[–] [email protected] 20 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

This is not a shitpost.

[–] [email protected] 19 points 9 months ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 36 points 9 months ago (3 children)
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[–] [email protected] 19 points 9 months ago

The first NSDAP government came into being in 1930, in Thuringia. It toppled a left-wing government with a broad alliance of liberals, conservatives and right-wing extremists. Today, a center-left government is still in power in Thuringia, but in a tolerated minority government that is dependent on the votes of the other parties. In a few months, it will most likely be voted out by another one. The liberal, conservative and far-right parties are already using their majority to jointly push through laws against the government. An extreme right-wing party will probably become the strongest force and as such will be able to do a lot of damage, even without government participation.

There are already areas where only right-wing candidates are running and right-wing conservatives are the most left-wing option.

Perhaps history will repeat itself this year.

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