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[–] [email protected] 182 points 9 months ago (4 children)
[–] [email protected] 62 points 9 months ago (2 children)

I swear bro, just one more, please

[–] [email protected] 24 points 9 months ago

Worked every time so far, I swear!

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[–] [email protected] 18 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

Just one more and it'll all be fixed, trust me bro

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[–] [email protected] 100 points 9 months ago (2 children)

Everybody in this photo could fit in like 4 buses

[–] [email protected] 40 points 9 months ago (13 children)

For a small segment of the trip. The problem with public transportation is that all these people are going to different locations and a bus being more efficient for 50% of the travel doesn't really help you for the other 50%

[–] [email protected] 91 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

The problem is not with public transportation, the problem is that the area surrounding this highway was designed so that more cars and more lanes were the only possible solution.

Cars create problems that only cars can solve.

Edit: and to add more context: those 50 different locations are all separated by massive mandatory parking lots which make them miles apart from each other when they could likely all be contained in the same building in front of a single bus stop.

[–] [email protected] 20 points 9 months ago (1 children)

Unless there's another bus for the other 50% of the travel. The point of a public transportation system is to be just that - a system. To get from anywhere to anywhere else.

[–] [email protected] 14 points 9 months ago (3 children)

Where I live this will cause what would be a 15 minute car ride into 1.5 hours of hopping on different busses and then walking 1/2 mile to your destination on either end. I don't have a problem with effective public transportation but outside of major population centers like Manhattan, I haven't seen one that really works all that well here in the US.

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[–] [email protected] 15 points 9 months ago (2 children)

As someone who has lived alone for eight years using only public transport in an area with excellent public transport, I can tell you that you are both right and wrong.

You are right in that if there is just one bus line, then it would only serve a small subset of people in this photo.

But if you only make one bus line then the public transport system is doomed to fail.

A good public transport system will have multiple lines converging to the same interchange, and in the opposite direction it will have multiple lines departing the same interchange, following the same route and branching off when needed, this way you have added capacity and redundancy at the start of the line, and it gets reduced as the need is reduced.

Then add lines that are circles in higher density areas, this means that no matter the direction all passengers can get on all departures, you csn also quickly add capacity by adding busses that goes in alternating directions.

All of this means that travellers can define their own route along different bus, train, tram, metro and ferry lines.

Public transport is not ment to be point to point, it builds a framework where people decide what parts the want to use.

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[–] [email protected] 10 points 9 months ago (5 children)

95% of Londoners are 400m or less from a bus stop. The bus service suits everyone for any journey. And then we have trains and the tube. There's never a need for a car no matter where and when you go.

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[–] [email protected] 22 points 9 months ago (3 children)

See, this is what AI was actually made for. 14 buses.

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[–] [email protected] 58 points 9 months ago (3 children)

All of that, for a traffic jam. Imagine turning 4 lanes in a train track carrying 500 person every 5 min in both directions and one lane in a bike lane. It's still 20 lanes for car, but you suddenly have decent public transport which would be safer and faster than that gigantic traffic jam

[–] [email protected] 14 points 9 months ago (1 children)

Or just a decent bus system. You could replace 50 cars on that highway with a single bus.

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[–] [email protected] 10 points 9 months ago

Yeah, well, many people are deeply stupid. And selfish. And racist. But I repeat myself.

Personally I think anyone who goes like "I don't want to ride a train I might have to sit next to a black person" should be dealt with more assertively, but I'm not in charge.

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[–] [email protected] 42 points 9 months ago (1 children)

Anything but a fucking train...

[–] [email protected] 21 points 9 months ago (3 children)

Coincidentally they form train-like structure, without all the benefits.

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[–] [email protected] 38 points 9 months ago (2 children)

I hate cars and highways so much.

I wish we had good mass transit like Europe.

[–] [email protected] 19 points 9 months ago (3 children)

Everyone always disparages the cost of public transport but how much does it cost to maintain these highways every year? A few dozen/hundred billion dollars across the country?

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[–] [email protected] 12 points 9 months ago (10 children)

China’s mass transit is better. Probably we should just hire the Chinese to construct a national bullet train network in ten years like they did in China. But wait, we can’t do that because that threatens the profits of the bourgeoisie, who are the true rulers of amerikkka. Oh well, enjoy your eight hour commute to make your bosses richer!

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[–] [email protected] 35 points 9 months ago (1 children)

Counting the service road is kind of cheating. In built up areas in Texas they're de facto city streets that happen to exactly mirror the freeway. They have intersections, lights, businesses, etc.

[–] [email protected] 21 points 9 months ago

Yep. Texas does that because of a state law that says any landowner with property adjacent to a highway has a right to access that highway.

[–] [email protected] 23 points 9 months ago (2 children)

If I count the roads off the sides, on ramps and off ramps, etc, the highest I can get is 18 lanes. Is this the photo of where it’s 26 wide? I can’t seem to find it.

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[–] [email protected] 20 points 9 months ago (2 children)

Fwiw, feeder lanes probably shouldn't be counted in Texas because they're basically glorified city streets. Businesses can have entrances and exits on frontage roads, so there's not really anything special about them except that they have a slightly higher speed limit (50~60mph vs 40~45mph) and they have immediate access to the highway.

An interesting article to go along with this.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 9 months ago

The feeder there is also almost certainly 45. So not really any faster than normal stroads.

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[–] [email protected] 19 points 9 months ago (2 children)

I just came back from tokyo after doing the JR pass travel to view the entire country. I fucking HATE CAR TRAVEL. taking the Narita express to the airport was so painless. Got back to IAH bush Int'ctl and it was a complete clusterfuck trying to get an Uber. Not to mention it was quite literally twice the price the express line train was. And that was one of the more expensive limited expresses too.

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[–] [email protected] 19 points 9 months ago (5 children)

And traffic STILL sucks in Houston

[–] [email protected] 55 points 9 months ago (1 children)

This is why traffic sucks. Super highways don't reduce traffic, they create it.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 9 months ago (4 children)

I'm not disagreeing necessarily (I know nothing about city planning), but wouldn't a smaller highway just force people onto the side streets and city roads? How does a superhighway make traffic worse?

[–] [email protected] 26 points 9 months ago

Most people will think traffic behave like water that you need to send through a network of pipes. It is not, traffic is made of humans and humans reactions will make traffic behave wildly differently than waters in pipes.

  • Some people and businesses will move next to the new highway for its supposed ease of access, creating traffic
  • some people might change their habits and go shopping to this place instead of that place, or getting a job far away from their home (or a home far away from home)

The exact reasons for the increase in traffic is complex and my example could be totally off. But we don't need to know the exact reason for the increase in traffic, we know it happens because it has been observed on every road enlargement projects in the last decades.

[–] [email protected] 18 points 9 months ago (19 children)

There are some good videos by notjustbikes on this topic, iirc the main problem is that big streets make people want to drive more which makes everything more crowded

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[–] [email protected] 10 points 9 months ago

Building larger highways always encourages more traffic. For a better explanation, check out this video by Adam Something. His youtube channel has a lot of interesting videos about transportation infrastructure.

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[–] [email protected] 16 points 9 months ago (1 children)

Hear me out: stack it vertically. It'll be great, I promise

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[–] [email protected] 13 points 9 months ago

I know. They should add more lanes.

/s

[–] [email protected] 12 points 9 months ago

And was we can all observe, it has solved traffic for Houston due to accommodating all the cars possible by upgrading with enough lanes perpetually.

It is expected to be complete once the lanes exceed N+1 or the population drops below N.

[–] [email protected] 11 points 9 months ago

shit could have been 1 long passenger and 1/10th of a freight train

[–] [email protected] 9 points 9 months ago (2 children)

Am I the only one not seeing 26 landed here?

[–] [email protected] 8 points 9 months ago (1 children)

I think this is a picture before the most recent expansion. (They saw this picture and said "hmm not wide enough, too congested.")

In the normal parts:

  • 2 express/toll/HOV/carpool lanes
  • 5 regular highway lanes
  • 3 feeder lanes (in Texas, the highways tend to have "feeders" or "service roads" or "frontage roads" that run parallel to highways so that people can exit and enter, turn onto intersecting roads, and access local businesses, and Houston calls them "feeders").

That's 10 in each direction. But at any given time there might be merge lanes between the express and the regular lanes, between the highway and the feeder, or between the feeder and a turn lane. So at the widest point, around the major freeway intersection with another huge toll highway, they bump it up to one more of each type of lane, for 13 lanes in each direction.

There's also a fair debate about whether the feeder lanes should count. After all, they have traffic lights and intersections to deal with. But on the other hand, driving on them is necessary to get on and off the highway lanes, so in a sense it's part of the same highway.

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[–] [email protected] 8 points 9 months ago (6 children)

Reason #354 why I loathe cities.

[–] [email protected] 12 points 9 months ago

Cities don't inherently create this much private traffic. Car centric city planning does. You can build cities that are not centered around cars. It is, in fact, easier to plan for fewer cars per person if everyone lives close together, because the places you need to go will be closer and you can bike or walk, and there's enough people for public transport to go frequently and everywhere without being half empty.

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