Fediverse
A community to talk about the Fediverse and all it's related services using ActivityPub (Mastodon, Lemmy, KBin, etc).
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It is definitely strange to be on a small server. I'll be like, "wow! This post has 67 likes!" Meanwhile if I view it from a large server it will actually be 1.4k
So does that mean that it's unusable to host an instance on mastodon just for yourself?
Not at all. You can still search and see everything that you federate with, but posts, likes, etc. will not populate on your server automatically unless you follow them. Otherwise, the entire fediverse would have to populate every minute on your personal server. I don't know how Lemmy handles that.
I don’t know how Lemmy handles that.
You also have to subscribe to communities to get their content.
That depends on what you want your experience to be. I run a teeny instance, don't give a shit about a Twitter-like experience, and am happy getting content only from my direct follows. It's great!
If you're expecting a deluge of bullshit from randos, definitely go register at one of the big ones instead!
Mastodon would have to implement support for this.
Use Lemmy to read Lemmy, unless Mastodon implements threading (which they probably won't).
The automatic hashtags in lemmy since v 19.4 makes it much easier.
See a quick post from me on it here: https://lemmy.ml/post/17563476
Only available on Lemmy from 0.19.4, you might be seeing posts from servers using a previous version
Indeed, definitely not ideal
Reddhat has a few speed issues since version 0.19.5, sopuli is faster. I really hope I'll be able to get back to Reddthat, but for the moment I'm here
I think it’s entirely on mastodon.
They don’t have a “subscribe” mechanism. Only following. And so everything coming from a group like a lemmy community looks like it’s coming from someone you follow, so you see all of their posts.
The alternative, which is also a general problem on mastodon, is that you wouldn’t be able to see any of the comments at all, because you’re not following the users making them.
They have a groups implementation on the road map. How long it takes, I don't know ... but mastodon aren't fast generally, so it's not happening soon in all likelihood.
Lemmy devs have taken a look at their spec for it and stated that it's not at all consistent with lemmy's implementation of communities over AP ... so even when it lands it probably won't help that much, at least at first.
Lemmy's communities aren't the only groups on the fediverse. The friendica/hubzilla groups have the same problem with mastodon's handling of groups (they're the only platforms apart from k/mbin that does both groups and users). Mike Macgirvin, the original dev of friendica/hubzilla, doesn't have a high opinion of mastodon's commitment to sensible standards (actually he's been quite scathing in the past). I haven't seen him comment on mastodon's plans for groups, but given his prior criticism I take it as more likely than not that mastodon will do groups in their own way and in a way that won't work well with the other group-based platforms.
Sorry for no links ... this is all impressions and recollections.
From what I've gathered, there's a decent amount of widespread bitterness out there about mastodon and gargron's choices exactly like what you've just expressed.
Mastodon is gargron's personal project. He runs exactly how he wants to and doesn't care too much about what others think. Except it's the one big player on the fediverse and has been put there because of a lot of other people's work and adoption.
It's influence and dominance over the fediverse is likely a serious problem because of exactly what you're talking about. There was a moment last year when fedi-enthusiasts kinda realised that some platform diversity is likely necessary in the fedi microblogging space. Some efforts were made (firefish was the one I was closest to), but no real inroads were made.
Personally, I'd like to help the threadiverse (lemmy and other group-first platforms) provide that diversity. I think these platforms can grow into providing user-based features similar to k/mbin but in a way that's not beholden to the microblogging baggage of twitter while also providing other features, structures and spaces.
Yea I was part of the firefish hype from pretty early ... it was a sad moment for the fediverse.
Discourse and NodeBB developments are definitely awesome to see!
The other microblogging services have apps? Like akkoma ... has a mobile app? Is that what you mean?
IceShrimp is still pretty good
yea, heard good things.
The thing about firefish is that at the time there was still an energy among newcomers to mastodon to look for and even build new things. It's death and the way it happened genuinely burned some people I think and definitely let an opportunity slip.
This needs to be fixed by Mastodon developers, and I doubt they browse Lemmy.
Meanwhile, Mbin's over here like, "what am I? chopped liver?"
It's basically Lemmy and Mastodon rolled into one.
The main issue I see with Mbin now is the lack of apps for iOS. I know there is Interstellar for Android, do you know if there is any planned for iOS?
As a person who uses Mbin on iOS, I'm really surprised no app support is an issue for people. It's really easy for me to use in the browser. I'm not saying this to put down people who want an app, I want to understand what an app would have that makes it better. I'm curious.