I can’t wait for the World Court Super Sayan Action Rangers to head down there and straighten Israel out
this post was submitted on 19 Jul 2024
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International diplomacy is complicated and the WC may technically be powerless to enforce a judgment but... this still does matter.
How do you figure?
If for no other reason than to let history know that this is an official opinion of a global judicial body.
Times change, power shifts. It's good to have a record of what is happening, for future reference.
The UN had an arms embargo on apartheid South Africa starting in the 70s, so there's precedent for that.
Fun fact: Israel violated the South Africa arms embargo. Big time.
In the same way that diplomacy matters to anything
Help carry out the conviction notice of Israeli leadership by supporting BDS. No one will care about Israel when they’re broke.
BDS?
Boycott, Divestment and Sanctions, political movement that advocates boycotting Israel in support of the rights of Palestinian people
Don't you know that choosing not to buy products made under an aprtheid regime or by companies profitting of genocide is literally Hitler?!
At least that is what many US states and Germany want us to believe.
Isn’t this illegal now in America?
it is now illegal to not buy things. CONSUME CONSUME CONSUME!!!
land of the free
Most anti-BDS laws have taken one of two forms: contract-focused laws requiring government contractors to promise that they are not boycotting Israel; and investment-focused laws, mandating public investment funds to avoid entities boycotting Israel.
Very strange to have government contractors and managers of public funds swearing an oath to protect a different country. Similar situation in the UK. Interestingly enough, this is another case of "birds of a feather flock together":
On May 17, 2019, right-wing populist party Alternative for Germany sponsored a bill "Condemn the BDS movement – protect the existence of the State of Israel" (19/9757) to ban the BDS movement nationally.
A global judicial body unrecognized is effectively moot. You, me, and a few other here on Lemmy could all denounce any nation's treatment of others but that wouldn't mean much. We'd just be some random people complaining on the Internet.
Legitimacy and respect are critical to any court. Without them the courts have no merit.
It has legitimacy and respect. What it doesn't have is enforcement. That's left to individual states
Seemingly not among the involved party. What punishment can flow for this crime and the court's finding that wouldn't be levied otherwise.
The indica of respect and legitimacy of a court is if their rulings are abided. Convince Israel a court with no Israelis should be the final arbitrator of their nations course of acts.
If you've shifted your claim to "Israel doesn't respect the ICJ" then yeah of course, they clearly have no respect for international law but that is a very different claim to what you posted earlier
For the sake of clarity is my claim is that most nations won't accept the legitimacy of any ICJ ruling against them as there is no practicable means of holding a nation to account. A judiciary without an executive is an exercise in futility.
There is no crime without a consequence.
Any nation at the point of which informed reasonable third parties declare them to have committed war crimes isn't likely to just slap their knee and say "you know what, my bad" after a ICJ ruling.
It's one thing to respect the ICJ when you are a third party. It's another when you are in the nation subject.
If the ICJ declared that many European countries violated human rights by not allowing criminals defendants to face their accusors, I doubt many of them would reform their justice system.
Ah well again, that's a different claim. The court is respected but everyone knows they have no enforcement powers. Their strength is entirely diplomatic
I think what's missing here is the existence of legal precedence. The UN had an arms embargo on apartheid South Africa starting in the 70s, so there's precedent for that.
Fun fact: Israel violated the South Africa arms embargo. Big time.
Clearly, enforcement is the weak part of international law.
Soooooo surprised to find Israel working against the international community thou :-)
Well not with that attitude.
This is the ICJ, not the ICC.
I'm confused. Gaza waged a suicide bombing campaign that resulted in the ethnic cleansing of Israelis from Gaza in 2005. Are they saying Gaza is still part of Israel?
you right to be confused; clearly you come from a parallel universe. i would be too.
ICJ needs to just stfu and actually take action.
They're not allowed to. This is basically all they can do: the equivalent of going "guys, this is without a doubt super fucked up and you should stop enabling it like you enabled the FIRST Apartheid regime for decades
Even if the ICJ and UN had a massive army to send in, we would literally find ourselves at war against the USA.
At this point it might almost be worth it to stop the slaughter..
I agree.
Yep. Set the ICJ warriors into action