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No puppies were harmed in this analogy (lemmy.blahaj.zone)
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Alt text: a post from @lolennui.bsky.social that says: Once my German friend asked what creative people do without arts grants and other support in the US and I felt like a parent trying to explain to their kid that the puppies can die sometimes

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[–] sundray@lemmus.org 189 points 8 months ago (5 children)

If you have some free time and aren't easily depressed, go ahead and look up the backgrounds of your favorite, recently ascendant artists. Many, if not most of them come from privileged backgrounds, have wealthy spouses, trust funds, or familial industry connections.

And while I personally don't think that such advantages necessarily diminish the importance of their art, just think of how much more potentially moving and profound work we'll never see just because the people who should be making it never got chance to develop, since they've been too busy just trying to keep a roof over their heads.

[–] Mac@mander.xyz 59 points 8 months ago (1 children)

I've thought this for a long time about other things. it's truly a shame.

[–] Master@lemm.ee 46 points 8 months ago (2 children)

We could have cured cancer years ago but the scientist grew up poor and ended up working the graveyard shifts in the mines.

[–] CodexArcanum@lemmy.world 81 points 8 months ago (1 children)

I am, somehow, less interested in the weight and convolutions of Einstein’s brain than in the near certainty that people of equal talent have lived and died in cotton fields and sweatshops.

~ Stephen Jay Gould

[–] mindbleach@sh.itjust.works 9 points 8 months ago

Ramanujan died at 32 from complications with childhood dysentery.

[–] satanmat@lemmy.world 2 points 8 months ago

Have you seen S4 of The Boys?

[–] trolololol@lemmy.world 20 points 8 months ago

More than that, you'd get better diversity in motifs and techniques if you expand the population base to a representation of society.

[–] Waraugh@lemmy.dbzer0.com 6 points 8 months ago (2 children)

If you want to see art though you can just ask a computer to make it for you

[–] can@sh.itjust.works 10 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (1 children)

Boooo, that will never compare to the personal satisfaction of honing a craft.

Edit: machine generation can be fun but I promise it's not as fulfilling as finding something you love doing purely for the sake of it and watching your progress over years.

[–] geophysicist@discuss.tchncs.de 8 points 8 months ago (1 children)

Yeah honing the craft of which key words to use

[–] can@sh.itjust.works 3 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago)

Tbh I've had plenty of fun with that too

Edit: downvoted why? Think I'm hypocritical? Or should it be nsfw?

[–] TrousersMcPants@lemmy.world 4 points 8 months ago (1 children)

And where did that computer get the artwork it pieced together?

[–] can@sh.itjust.works 2 points 8 months ago (1 children)

Someone is going to say the same way a flesh artist does. But I think it's more than synthesis of what a person sees, its their lived experience

[–] TrousersMcPants@lemmy.world 2 points 8 months ago

Well if they said that they would be objectively wrong. An AI puts no thought into it's creation, despite the misleading name. It simply is able to approximate an imitation of the artwork it's trained on.

[–] underwire212@lemm.ee 5 points 8 months ago

Well also because of this we only see a very small representative sample with the art that does end up making it out into the open.

[–] expatriado@lemmy.world 73 points 8 months ago (3 children)

They have seen what happens when you don't let an aspiring artist grow professionally, and perhaps continue their education, for instance, in a place like the Vienna Academy of Fine Arts

[–] MindTraveller@lemmy.ca 19 points 8 months ago (1 children)

Nah lmao Adolf was a talentless hack. The man had absolutely no understanding of angles. Have you seen his paintings? They suck.

[–] skulblaka@sh.itjust.works 24 points 8 months ago

Nobody falls out of the crib painting Rembrandts. Maybe if he was allowed to go to school it would have been different.

[–] Pilon23@feddit.dk 11 points 8 months ago (5 children)

Yes, Germans were Nazis. A round of applause for rehashing the joke for the billionth time.

[–] SuddenDownpour@sh.itjust.works 16 points 8 months ago

I didn't see it a "Germans were nazis" joke as much as a "Every country has its crazies, Germans do now care for theirs" joke.

[–] expatriado@lemmy.world 15 points 8 months ago

perhaps you're right, too predictable. Am I the baddie?

[–] soloner@lemmy.world 8 points 8 months ago

You got my upvote! Fuck the reddit trope of constantly bringing the same punchline over and over and expecting gold or whatever.

[–] FlexibleToast@lemmy.world 5 points 8 months ago

I'm not sure it was a joke.

[–] PanArab@lemm.ee 4 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (1 children)

Many still are, just mention Palestine to them.

[–] Wes4Humanity@lemm.ee 7 points 8 months ago (1 children)

I assume from context that you mean they support Palestine and are against Israel's genocide... Which doesn't make them Nazis... Actually kinda makes them not Nazis... Not sure how/why it's possible that Israel turned into Nazis, but they did.

Correct me if I misread the context

[–] PanArab@lemm.ee 5 points 8 months ago (1 children)

Have I been misled? I thought Germans in general were pro-Israel and anti-Palestine. Perhaps just the government, media and police? I have seen German police brutalizing pro-Palestine protestors, I just thought it was a minority that are protesting.

[–] Wes4Humanity@lemm.ee 3 points 8 months ago

My apologies then... I misinterpreted your original comment... I'm pretty sure you're correct that the Germans in general super support Israel... or at least what I've seen in the media or online makes it seem that way... But yeah, it could also be the government vs what the people really think kinda thing... Like in the US

[–] I_Clean_Here@lemmy.world 6 points 8 months ago (1 children)

To this day Germans are afraid of all painters because these guys are just another Holocaust waiting to happen.

... Is what you are saying. Not very funny.

[–] AVincentInSpace@pawb.social 14 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago)

Not very funny

I respectfully disagree

[–] squirrel@lemmy.blahaj.zone 55 points 8 months ago (4 children)

European people: But... but what if we had a system of medical care for puppies, so that they do not die so often?

[–] underwire212@lemm.ee 44 points 8 months ago (1 children)

US Elite: but how does that make me money

[–] CarbonIceDragon@pawb.social 6 points 8 months ago (1 children)

By selling pet insurance, I suppose? Though I guess that requires that the puppies be owned by someone fortunate enough to afford it.

[–] mindbleach@sh.itjust.works 5 points 8 months ago

Hey guys, I figured out we can sell the insurance and then not pay anyone's costs. This literally cannot go tits-up.

[–] Rolando@lemmy.world 21 points 8 months ago

That's Communism. Jesus hates that.

[–] MNByChoice@midwest.social 2 points 8 months ago

Honestly, why doesn't Europe have universal veterinary? That will drive Americans nuts.

(Source: Am American)

[–] Phoenix3875@lemmy.world 30 points 8 months ago (2 children)

They go to Hollywood and write a fifth sequel to a 20 years old series that no one cares about.

[–] Sloogs@lemmy.dbzer0.com 24 points 8 months ago

Not without nepotism you don't

[–] knatschus@discuss.tchncs.de 3 points 8 months ago

And shoot or edit parts of it in germany to get some of those arts grants

[–] protist@mander.xyz 23 points 8 months ago (3 children)

What do creative people do in Germany to support themselves?

[–] gregor@gregtech.eu 40 points 8 months ago

Art?

[–] JeffreyOrange@lemmy.world 23 points 8 months ago (1 children)

Study liberal arts for free while getting bafög or a side job to pay for your living costs. I think that's more what the post is about. And there are also tons of grants.

[–] scrion@lemmy.world 7 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago)

I think the point is not so much about the actual occupation, but about the system fucking them a bit less.