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And yet they are braying for Trump Lite who is playing directly from the US christofascist playbook of grievance and identity politics while making impossible promises without ever telling us how he plans to deliver. But, he's"not Trudeau" amiright?

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[–] [email protected] 69 points 8 months ago (3 children)

Jagmeet Singh isn't Trudeau either, and the NDP actually has policies that would help people. But people still turn to the Conservatives, despite their track record of making things worse and their new affinity for far-right populism.

[–] [email protected] 25 points 8 months ago (1 children)

No matter how much you lay out that policies passed by the NDP are more effective at resolving the issues that they're flocking to PP for... They always circle back around to "but they havent stopped trudeau" or "they never do anything" or even (the funniest one) "they're corrupt"

I'm hopeful for the states now that kamala is the likely nominee... But I think we're doomed up here

[–] [email protected] 13 points 8 months ago

I'm really hoping she wins so PP doesn't have a tidal wave of fascism down south to surf on, and at least has to generate his own momentum.

[–] [email protected] 25 points 8 months ago (2 children)

Jagmeet has also done a ton more for Canadians with 24 seats compared to Pierre and his 118.

[–] [email protected] 12 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago)

Yes. Unlike PP and the Conservatives, he actually wants to do things for Canadians.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 8 months ago (2 children)

The CPC is His Majesty's Loyal Opposition, their job is to oppose the His Majesty's Government (aka the Liberals). Can you point our where he has failed at this?

[–] [email protected] 8 points 8 months ago

They are supposed to oppose things that aren't in the best interest of Canadians, to stop government abuse they absolutely can support things that are in the best interest of Canadians.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 8 months ago (1 children)

Are you disputing my comment or just randomly asking me a question?

[–] [email protected] 1 points 8 months ago (1 children)

You said that the NDP has done more for Canadians than the CPC, so since the CPC's job is to oppose the government can you point out when they failed to do that to the detriment of Canadians?

[–] [email protected] 2 points 8 months ago (1 children)

Just to be clear we are in agreement that NDP has done more for Canadians this term.

If CPC/Oppositions job is purely to oppose the government why did they vote yes thousands of times on Liberal/NDP motions. By your standard are you saying Conservative MP's are so incompetent they don't when to stand or press the right button?

[–] [email protected] 1 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (1 children)

I'm not certain the NDP has done more than the CPC, but of they have it's been outweighed by propping up all the other bullshit of this government.

How many times now has Singh chastised the Liberals but supported the very same policies anyways when it actually came down to votes in Parliament?

My point about it being the CPC's job to oppose is that it's not their job to come up with ideas.

Edit: Basically, my view is that although the NDP have done a few positive things (as have the Liberals) they've been a net negative on the country since 2019 whereas the CPC net is basically zero because the odd few things they've tried to do other than oppose, both positive and negative, don't pass in Parliament. IMHO the biggest positive thing that has happened since 2019 the CPC and NDP (and Bloc) voted together on against the Liberals: when they stopped the Liberals from assuming unaccountable emergency power right at the beginning of the pandemic... It's too bad this alliance didn't continue.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 8 months ago (1 children)

assuming unaccountable emergency power

Logically speaking wouldn't you be against the person who said they'd use the notwithstanding clause running the country?

From a Conservatives perspective NDP is blocking them from taking over and saving the country. From Progressive perspective the NDP is preventing a bad government turning even worse.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 8 months ago

To be honest, my level of trust in the CPC isn't all that greater than the LPC... marginally more at best.

From Progressive perspective the NDP is preventing a bad government turning even worse.

This is absolute bullshit, the NDP have been Liberal enablers since 2019. If they were actually serious about stopping the Liberals Singh wouldn't be voting with them in the HoC.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 8 months ago (1 children)

but he likes expensive watches!

[–] [email protected] 11 points 8 months ago

Ah, I forgot. I guess then we just have to choose fascism.

[–] [email protected] 39 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (2 children)

45% of CPC voters think Trump will usher in an era of peace and stability.

Just let that nonsense sink in.

In fact, CPC voters drags the numbers significantly in every category. Where LPC and NDP voters are 1-4% in agreement, the CPC is 20-45%.

Fucking deranged

[–] [email protected] 5 points 8 months ago

Does that mean the other 55% see Trump usher in a civil war and are all for ti?

[–] [email protected] 23 points 8 months ago

Because the visual of PP bent over, and getting fucked by America while Trump whispers “51st state” in his ear, while he pays for the privilege with Canadian resources, is a bit offensive.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 8 months ago (2 children)

66%! I'd have guessed more like 85.

[–] [email protected] 12 points 8 months ago

Unfortunately, that's why we're looking at Poilievre likely being the next PM.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 8 months ago

It’s interesting how this newfound patriotism, that drives them to protect this country from Trudeau, doesn’t extend to being deeply critical of Trump’s term, considering how much he fucked us at every turn.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 8 months ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 4 points 8 months ago (1 children)

Good for 66% of them. Not a great look for the others.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 8 months ago

You mean 33%? Anyway, its not good for them. They're just the dumb ones

[–] [email protected] 1 points 8 months ago

Well get ready for it then, because despite Harris increasing the odds of the Democrats winning my money is still on Trump. You don't have to like the guy (I don't, I would've preferred if another Republican candidate won the primaries) to look at it objectively; too many people are letting their emotions influence their thought process on who will win.