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[–] FiniteBanjo@lemmy.today 160 points 8 months ago (2 children)

Netanyahu: "Please stop withholding weapons and support, please seriously guys cut it out"

TIME Magazine: "Is Netanyahu dragging out the conflict for political benefit?"

Biden: "There is every reason for people to draw that conclusion."

Kamala Harris: "I will not be silent."

Hexbear: "Congress gives Netanyahu Standing Ovation, blood on hands of every US lawmaker, US President personally responsible for tens of thousands of deaths directly."

[–] disguy_ovahea@lemmy.world 224 points 8 months ago (2 children)

Did you watch the video?

Republicans gave Netanyahu a standing ovation.

Dozens of Democrats abstained, the ones who attended remained seated, and Rashida Tlaib held up a sign that said “war criminal.”

[–] FiniteBanjo@lemmy.today 131 points 8 months ago (7 children)

I insult Hexbear at every opportunity, bunch of dictator cocksuckers they are.

[–] retrospectology@lemmy.world 48 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (3 children)

Sure, fuck hexbear...but congress literally did give a standing ovation to a mass murderer, there is no getting around that reality. That's not me, it was literally on NPR. Biden is a staunch supporter of mass murder who has blood on his hands.

Hexbear being full of tankies doesn't make it ok to support genocide.

[–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 29 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (1 children)

Apart from all the members of congress who remained seated, as was already mentioned. I'm guessing neither AOC nor Bernie Sanders stood up and applauded if they were there.

[–] retrospectology@lemmy.world 19 points 8 months ago (1 children)

Yes, about half of Democrats weren't applauding like seals. Half still were, which is unacceptable.

[–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 28 points 8 months ago (4 children)

Okay, so condemn the ones who were and don't act like it was unanimous.

[–] disguy_ovahea@lemmy.world 16 points 8 months ago

Exactly. Even better, vote out the Republican supporters in the fall.

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[–] FiniteBanjo@lemmy.today 24 points 8 months ago (2 children)

To equate voting DNC to supporting genocide is disingenuous to its core.

[–] retrospectology@lemmy.world 14 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (3 children)

I didn't equate voting dem as genocide support. If you vote for a zionist though, that is active support of genocide. In that situation you're signaling to the party that it's acceptable to have genocide supporters in the party, as long as the other option is "worse".

That's a calculation you're free to weigh for yourself, but it is still genocide support. Same way voting for an openly racist politician is in support of racism.

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[–] assassin_aragorn@lemmy.world 24 points 8 months ago (1 children)

Republicans in Congress gave a standing ovation. Important distinction.

[–] retrospectology@lemmy.world 20 points 8 months ago (1 children)

Yes, but Republicans are given. Half of Democrats also joined in, that's the problem. The Democratic party needs to be in opposition to zionism like it's meant to be opposed to every other form of fascism.

[–] Wrench@lemmy.world 19 points 8 months ago (3 children)

It's not a given. Lemmy is under a constant barrage of comments only attacking Biden and the Dems for supporting Isreal and therefore genocide. The blame is only put on Biden and the Dems.

Keeping perspective of how much worse the Republicans are in this specific regard if extremely imperious during this election. Being critical of the Dems is fine, but keeping the real context is vital.

The objective of these users who only criticize the Dems is clear. Stop falling for it.

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[–] disguy_ovahea@lemmy.world 46 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago)

As you should. I saw all the memes before watching the video, and was happy to see that it wasn’t the “four-minute standing ovation” I kept hearing about when I finally watched it.

[–] Andromxda@lemmy.dbzer0.com 23 points 8 months ago

It's the same with lemmygrad.ml and lemmy.ml

[–] thefartographer@lemm.ee 15 points 8 months ago

They'd probably yell at you if their mouths weren't full

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[–] Sweetpeaches69@lemmy.world 25 points 8 months ago

Based Rashida.

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[–] wurzelgummidge@lemmy.world 76 points 8 months ago (1 children)

It's easy to say things in the run up to election. I'll wait and see what she actually does when/if she is elected

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[–] catloaf@lemm.ee 30 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (5 children)

She [...] denounced Hamas as a brutal terrorist organisation that triggered the war

Harris, you're wrong and you know it. This is only the latest battle in a war that has been going on for decades.

And the word you're not saying is genocide.

[–] disguy_ovahea@lemmy.world 47 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (27 children)

Out of curiosity, do you always insist people use the term genocide when addressing the ~~Ukrainian invasion~~ invasion of Ukraine, the sinicization of Tibet, and the Uyghur camps as well? Do you always say the Ukrainian genocide, the Tibetan genocide, and the Uyghur genocide? It’s exactly as correct as the former descriptions.

[–] catloaf@lemm.ee 24 points 8 months ago (2 children)

I won't insist on each and every time, but just once would be fantastic.

I personally also don't say it literally each and every time, but I will say that those examples as also genocide, unequivocally. That's me on the record, you can quote me on that.

(Also I assume you mean the Russian invasion of Ukraine, and the genocide of the Ukrainian people in the invaded areas, not an invasion committed by the Ukrainians, because I'm not aware of that happening anywhere.)

[–] disguy_ovahea@lemmy.world 18 points 8 months ago (2 children)

Yes, the Russian invasion of Ukraine. I edited for clarity.

My point is both descriptions are accurate, and sensationalism is polarizing. The wrong language could keep her out of office. This reaffirms the understanding that she’s left of Biden and miles from Trump. That may be all the conviction we get before the election. That doesn’t mean that’s all she has to offer.

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[–] SamuelRJankis@lemmy.world 28 points 8 months ago (3 children)

As a Canadian I feel like people who support our right wing politicians are very generous with the accuracy of what they say and their American counterparts are even more so.

Yet somehow the Progressive side is held to this unusual standard where they're constantly painted as the villain if they're off by the slightest bit.

[–] DancingBear@midwest.social 14 points 8 months ago

Harris is by no means a progressive, but anyone supporting Israeli government at this point is creepy as fuck

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[–] MindTraveller@lemmy.ca 22 points 8 months ago

Israel helped Hamas gain power intentionally. Defending Hamas is defending Israel, just as defending Israel is defending Hamas.

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[–] sazey@lemmy.world 25 points 8 months ago (11 children)

Enough with words. We have had almost 10 months of them. Just another talker I bet.

[–] retrospectology@lemmy.world 42 points 8 months ago (1 children)

I feel that, but to be fair she's not in a position to do much more than promise at the moment.

I think it's an encouraging sign that she's not trying to duck the issue, the way she could. That's not a guaruntee she'll take real action, but if she's distancing herself from Biden on this even before she gets the nomination it's a good sign.

I think it's easy to forget just how extreme Biden is on this issue. Harris is your average democrat, but she's still not ideological like Biden is, most aren't. Biden went so far as to go around Obama to make promises to Israel when he was VP, I don't see Harris having that kind of unquestioning desperation to help the right-wing Israeli government.

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[–] skozzii@lemmy.ca 19 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (3 children)

Unlike the other guy who lies with every breath he makes she has not given us a reason not to trust her yet...

So don't even compare its not fair at all.

One is a serial liar, rapist and criminal, and I'm not even exaggerating or being dramatic... just 100% real facts proven in court.

Wake up.

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[–] InternetUser2012@lemmy.today 20 points 8 months ago (5 children)

Genocide Joe bots and trolls in shambles

[–] phoenixz@lemmy.ca 25 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (3 children)

The heck is wrong with you?

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