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[–] swordgeek@lemmy.ca 193 points 8 months ago (1 children)

Convicted PEDOPHILE rapist!

[–] njm1314@lemmy.world 62 points 8 months ago (2 children)

Why do so many headlines leave that part out? I swear like half the headlines don't feel that needs to be mentioned when it's really a huge fucking part of the story.

[–] pyre@lemmy.world 52 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (2 children)

if you're genuinely curious: my bet is to avoid lawsuits. mind that people who use the word pedophile colloquially usually mean people who prey on children.

in reality, pedophilia is not a legal term and not a part of the crimes or charges. it's a psychiatric disorder and in itself not the crime. laws are not concerned with the disorder so long as the person does not act on it.

on the legal side, crimes like statutory rape, child sexual abuse, or whatever it may be, are independent of the disorder and i would imagine a lot of people who engage in it might not have it; as sexual abuse is more often than not about power, not attraction.

so i imagine shit stain perpetrators like this can technically say they're not pedophiles as they aren't legally found to be so and sue for defamation. so media sticks to the legal terms.

that being said, even if they don't use the word, they should mention that the victim was a 12 year old. so instead of pedophile rapist, it can say rapist of 12 year old. afaik that's legally and technically true and shouldn't be a legal liability.

disclaimer that these are opinions of a layman, and I'm not a lawyer.

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[–] yarrage@sh.itjust.works 166 points 8 months ago (3 children)

As a Dutch guy I feel compelled to apologize for our national olypic committee selecting and sending this douche nozzle to Paris.

[–] 242@lemmy.cafe 69 points 8 months ago (1 children)

He's still going to be representing the team in the next competition. You guys need to make sure your government knows it's not ok to send child groomer rapists onto the world stage to represent you. And his teammates seem to be ok with playing aside him again.

“If I can speak for him, after the match we lost, we were disappointed,” Immers said of his teammate Van de Velde. “But we said to each other: ‘Look what we did together. Look how hard we fought with all the attention.’ We stayed together. We cried together off the field and said, ‘OK, let’s just enjoy this moment.’ And we did that. So I’m happy we did it that way.”

Van de Velde and Immers will play together next in the European championships in the Netherlands right after the Olympics, and then the Dutch championships.

Sorry, but this is kind of fucked up. No offense to you personally, but my opinion of the Dutch just took a nosedive.

[–] Guntrigger@sopuli.xyz 25 points 8 months ago (19 children)

You dislike the Dutch now because their system of imprisonment is based on rehabilitation?

[–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 43 points 8 months ago (14 children)

He was imprisoned by the UK, not the Dutch. The Dutch got him out of prison. After a year. For raping a 12-year-old multiple times.

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[–] 242@lemmy.cafe 20 points 8 months ago (6 children)

Nah, I hate them because their government sends known child rapists to other countries.

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[–] match@pawb.social 18 points 8 months ago (6 children)

Do you think the Dutch prison system taught him not to travel internationally to give 12 year olds liquor so he could rape them? Do you think it did so in under a month?

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[–] JimVanDeventer@lemmy.world 29 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (2 children)

Fellow embarrassed Dutch guy chiming in.

Edit: why did I get down voted for being an embarrassed Dutch guy? LOL, that's what we are!

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[–] ChronosTriggerWarning@lemmy.world 18 points 8 months ago (2 children)

That right there is more remorse than I've seen from the rapist himself...

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[–] Guntrigger@sopuli.xyz 89 points 8 months ago (16 children)

I'm very conflicted about this whole thing. On the one hand, yeah it's kind of a scandal and people have every right to be booing him every time he touches the ball.

On the other hand, he was convicted, sentenced, did time and is now back in society apparently showing remorse. People are calling for his career to end and various wishes of death on him. Why can't he continue his life?

Are we supposed to lock up all criminals forever? Kill them? Just not allow them to follow their chosen career after getting out? Or is it just sports they shouldn't be allowed to participate in?

[–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 127 points 8 months ago (17 children)

apparently showing remorse

He showed no remorse. He called it nonsense. He said he made mistakes as a youth. He has not even bothered to offer anything in the way of an apology.

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[–] TheMetaleek@sh.itjust.works 78 points 8 months ago (4 children)

He did barely a year of prison... I personally don't quite think it's enough for raping a kid, but hey that's just my opinion

[–] Johandea@feddit.nu 27 points 8 months ago (7 children)

Enough for what? Your sense of vengeance? I don't know, only you can tell... Enough for rehabilitation? I don't know, but it is possible. Time needed for rehabilitation varies widely. It's quite possible the year was enough. One thing we do know is that the Netherlands is heavily in favour of rehabilitation over punishment, since rehabilitation actually forwards society

[–] TheMetaleek@sh.itjust.works 34 points 8 months ago

I am European and heavily against punitive justice. But I think one year of prison for a crime almost universally considered among the worst is not enough for rehabilitation, and I find this opinion validated by the lack of understanding or even remorse shown by the guy in public statements

[–] Guntrigger@sopuli.xyz 17 points 8 months ago (17 children)

This is exactly the point I'm trying to make, but am getting downvoted because I apparently sound like a "child rape apologist".

I understand the crime is emotionally charged, but that doesn't mean anyone convicted of it should just be thrown in the oubliette.

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[–] Guntrigger@sopuli.xyz 17 points 8 months ago (5 children)

I agree, it seems like a small amount on the face of it.

But at the same time, I'm more inclined to trust the judgement of the prison system (at least in The Netherlands) as to whether he is ready to return to society.

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[–] tobogganablaze@lemmus.org 35 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (4 children)

did time and is now back in society apparently showing remorse.

Nope, neither of those.

[–] Guntrigger@sopuli.xyz 18 points 8 months ago (3 children)

What do you mean? He served 13 months and got out on parole. He's publicly expressed remorse, but that isn't exactly conclusive. I assume there would have been some genuine remorse inside, otherwise there would be no parole.

My point is, if you stop anyone who has been to jail returning to normal society at all, then why let them out at all? You might as well just put every criminal in jail for life, or just kill them straight away.

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[–] Goodmorningsunshine@lemmy.world 35 points 8 months ago

It's a good thing the court of public opinion still has a voice and doesn't approve of child rapists quite so heartily as the Dutch government. What "time" did he do - like 11months? And he was never remorseful in the slightest. If his only real punishment is going to be him and his country getting booed by the world at the Olympics, I'm happy there's at least that.

[–] 100@fedia.io 20 points 8 months ago

he can continue his life, but get the fuck out of public positions like this if youre a fucking pedo rapist

[–] Tja@programming.dev 19 points 8 months ago

How about "not put them representing your country, where other people might understand that as an endorsement as see him as a role model".

There is shades of grey between "killing him" and "send him to the Olympics".

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[–] henfredemars@infosec.pub 79 points 8 months ago

Let's do politicians next.

[–] ZombieMantis@lemmy.world 67 points 8 months ago (2 children)

Fucking finally. Price of shit rapist. Maybe the Dutch will reform their legal system in-time for the next Olympics?

[–] Draedron@lemmy.dbzer0.com 53 points 8 months ago (2 children)

Im not sure if any legal system would say a felon cant join the olympics. Unless you mean having draconian punishments like the US. Then no, I hope they dont damage their legal system to become that corrupt.

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[–] iAvicenna@lemmy.world 52 points 8 months ago (3 children)

only if booing was able to remove pedophile and rapist politicians from power too

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[–] TwinTusks@bitforged.space 43 points 8 months ago (3 children)

He's only 29, this is gonna haunt him for a LONG LONG time.

[–] Deceptichum@quokk.au 85 points 8 months ago (1 children)

It might even ruin his chances for getting to the Olympics and representing his country on the world stage.

[–] TwinTusks@bitforged.space 18 points 8 months ago (1 children)
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[–] wheeldawg@sh.itjust.works 32 points 8 months ago (1 children)

Every time a rapist is sad or something bad happens to them, I smile. The worse the event, the happier I am. Death should be their only release from torture. I accept no less and grant no pity, no matter how bad it gets for them.

And it goes double for Trump.

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[–] amanda@aggregatet.org 23 points 8 months ago (9 children)

How is there no mechanism to remove him? I mean, ideally he shouldn’t have been selected in the first place but under the insanely charitable assumption that it was sloppiness and not active negligence that recruited him.

[–] Rentlar@lemmy.ca 28 points 8 months ago (12 children)

It's not the Olympic organizers' job to disqualify someone based on how immoral, criminal, of poor character or despicable a person is (on who's laws anyway?). This is a major failure on the country's olympic committee selecting these people to represent themselves to the world.

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[–] xc2215x@lemmy.world 23 points 8 months ago

Good for the crowd.

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