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From Homestar Runner to Salad fingers to badgers, stick figure battles, and the End of Ze World, this — dare I call it an artform? — was a cultural touchstone for a generation.

Flash made vector animation available to the masses, and internet distribution of the relatively small video files was a piece of cake. With the filetype now essentially deprecated, the creators gone on to bigger and better things, the distribution sites shut down, it is a dead form. Most of it will be lost forever, although there may be someone archiving some of it for posterity.

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[–] [email protected] 46 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago) (1 children)

Guys, homestarrunner literally works again thanks to something called the Ruffle Project (just from reading the website). Enjoy the vector graphics and Easter eggs again

[–] [email protected] 5 points 7 months ago

I use Ruffle on my personal domain to host my college flash web page again. I made the super Mario world map into a web page for an internet gaming group on campus and spent way too much time doing it. I was delighted I could host it again.

For anyone that cares

[–] [email protected] 41 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago) (1 children)

For creators that were still active some jumped ship to pre rendered videos, for example Salad Fingers lives on here:

https://youtube.com/playlist?list=PL9383CC2C6DBD902F

A major archival project for the whole flash era is Flashpoint Archive (formally known as BlueMaxima):

https://flashpointarchive.org/?lang=en-US

[–] [email protected] 4 points 7 months ago

People jumped ship to prerendered videos even before the death or Flash, using Flash as the video player.

It's been over a decade since I learned this, but if I recall correctly, SWF animations that were large enough had desync issues with the audio and frames. The solution was to export the animation as an actual video file and play that back.

[–] [email protected] 20 points 7 months ago

Theres are some pretty massive archives already, including Flashpoint

[–] [email protected] 20 points 7 months ago (1 children)

There are in-browser emulators written in JavaScript. Like any old content, I’m more worried about sources going down rather than not being able to run the flash.

[–] [email protected] 19 points 7 months ago

The biggest one (also adopted by the wayback machine) is actually written in Rust (compiled to WASM).

[–] [email protected] 15 points 7 months ago

I'm a little surprised nothing came to take the place of flash.

There are lots of animation tools that export to video, and there are WYSIWYG web editors that allow for interaction and movement.

But nothing really came out, built on html5, that let you easily create interactive motion narratives or games, so that you could just upload them somewhere.

[–] [email protected] 13 points 7 months ago
[–] [email protected] 12 points 7 months ago

There are huge archives of flash animations and you can install a safe "emulator" for playing flash that even runs in your browser. Look up Ruffle. I can't remember the name of the big archive site I used, but it didn't take much googling. I know I was able to find Homestar, Larry Carlson, Adam Phillips (bitey), joe cartoon and salad fingers as well as a ton of games from back in the day.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 7 months ago

I too have nostalgia for the animations of that era, but I do think a lot of those have been exported as videos and uploaded to YouTube. It’s not 100% the same but it’s better than nothing.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 7 months ago (1 children)

Hey, the badger is still alive and badgering!

[–] [email protected] 7 points 7 months ago (1 children)

So is Homestarrunner. Most of their flash stuff still works, too.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 7 months ago (1 children)

They're still making videos on YouTube at least once a year too! One of the two brother chaps who created it went on to work on the animated show Gravity Falls too.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 7 months ago

They both also worked on Yo Gabba Gabba, though one (Matt) has definitely appeared to do a lot more writing/production work (and a good bit of voice work)

[–] [email protected] 8 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago) (1 children)

Flash still got it good.

Consider the entire generation of 1970s and 1980s Betamax footage that is basically lost today.

When format wars snap to one side: VHS vs Betamax, HD-DVD vs BluRay, Flash vs HTML5, QuickTime vs DivX... The losing side basically loses a ton of footage.

For the most part, we know how to play Flash right now and mostly how to upconvert it or otherwise archive it. That's not true of all formats.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 7 months ago (2 children)

What content was released on beta that wasn't released on vhs or later on DVD or something else?

I don't think it's comparable at all.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago)

First hit on Google was this list made by some Redditor: https://www.reddit.com/r/Betamax/comments/z8cun4/films_that_only_exist_on_betamax_or_alt_editions/

In any case: the big advantage of Betamax (and VHS) was how easy it was to get home-recordings done. An entire generation of family photos / family events (birthday parties, etc. etc.) are on Betamax and likely lost.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 7 months ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 1 points 7 months ago

Certainly. I don't think I ever watched or played it, but I remember young me pronouncing it "zack-see-oh zack-see-oh" every time it came up, which was a lot because I lived on Flash games.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 7 months ago

We have emulators for it, dude.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 7 months ago (1 children)

Salad Fingers is on YouTube and it's as creepy as ever. Maybe creepier as I get older.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 7 months ago (1 children)

Might I enquire about your spooooons?

[–] [email protected] 4 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago)

A lot of the meme-tier flash from that period has been archived on dagobah.net.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 7 months ago

I remember some great flash games I used to play, and I know they are lost media now. But there are people archiving tons of flash stuff at “Flashpoint Archive”

[–] [email protected] 4 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago)

HSR has been preserved don’t worry!

[–] [email protected] 4 points 7 months ago

Yeah it is sad that we don't have flash. But today I saw there's a program Ruffle (written in Rust) that can run flash, and add support to browser through extensions or something.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 7 months ago

Salad fingers is still coming put with new ones lol

[–] [email protected] 3 points 7 months ago

I've spent a lot of time looking for old stuff from Stick Figure Death Theatre to no avail. It really is quite sad.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 7 months ago

Many of the pure animations were done on newgro and they still work.

But the games and interactive videos don't work anymore. 🤔 I wonder what that means for animations that had a loading screen (even i made one of those, back in the day)

[–] [email protected] 3 points 7 months ago (2 children)

Is the tech no longer possible? I have a feeling of no current browser support and security issues, but could one just have a private server for hobbyists?

[–] [email protected] 7 points 7 months ago

Ruffle is a Rust-based implementation of a SWF player. It's not 100% compatible, but it has decent AVM1 (ActionScript 1/2) and AVM2 (ActionScript 3) support already.

It also can be compiled to WebAssembly, making it possible to run Flash in the browser again.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 7 months ago

Most of this stuff has migrated to YouTube.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 7 months ago

hBomberGuy did a long video on Newgrounds! It’s amazing, but I think it might only be on his Patreon.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 7 months ago
[–] [email protected] 1 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago)

Who remembers diseased productions?

Thing Thing

Endless Zombie Rampage

And the stinky bean series

Miss that stuff!

[–] [email protected] 1 points 7 months ago

A lot of it was lightweight enough that archival sites etc might not have specifically ruled them out, aside from specific efforts to preserve Flash material. There are also modded versions of Flash Player and emulators that can still play SWFs, and FLV remains supported fairly commonly.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 7 months ago

We as a society should be madder about this

[–] [email protected] 1 points 7 months ago
[–] [email protected] 1 points 7 months ago

I miss Romp.com it was all adult themed videos.