What is the charge? For operating a messaging platform? A succulent private messaging platform?
this post was submitted on 25 Aug 2024
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Allowing criminal activity to go unmoderated on the platform. Including but not limited to fraud, drug trafficking, cyberbullying, organized crime and promotion of terrorism.
promotion of terrorism.
You know the accusations are bogus when you see this.
Just because it is most of the time bullshit, it doesn't mean that is not a thing ever. The "think of the children" doesn't imply that legit application of child-protection laws are not a thing.
Telegram is for example known for Russian military bloggers, which are, in fact, promoting terrorism.
Even a broken clock is right twice a day. Even as a general user I've come across illegal shit on Telegram, so they clearly aren't even attempting to moderate. It would be absolutely zero surprise that obvious terrorist organizations like ISIL would be using the platform for some communication and recruiting. And that doesn't even get into subjective shit like Russian aggression and attacks on civilians in Ukraine, which many would consider terrorist attacks.
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true but if its truly end to end encrypted it cant be moderated.
between this and mega its clear they want your files easy to reach and access, privacy and security be damned.
the internet should be free for the same reason we have the 2nd amendment - its necessary for exposing and opposing tyranny.
so kill telegram and watch criminal orgs and militant groups just spin up their own servers or use encrypted radio or just encrypt messages themselves to send through any other platform.
its the cops and feds job to investigate these people, they didnt need a fucking all seeing AI to do it in the prior century and they dont now.
i mean seriously what happened to sting operations? its so damn easy to catch predators n shit on discord, and these telegrams are easy enough to join. do actual detective work smfh .
if its truly end to end encrypted
Telegram chats aren't end-to-end encrypted by default, and group messages cannot be encrypted. Just saying.
ahhh, I see you know your digital crimes well!
I hope you realise that the comment you replied to is really just a reference to the Succulent Chinese Meal video.
I understand this reference
Most unexpected reference I've ever seen.
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See, this is a tough one. Privacy concerns are legitimate, but also, when people keep reminding that Meta was a key player in acts of terror and genocide what is often not said is that a lot of it happened over Whatsapp groups and direct messages, as in India and Burkina Faso. Direct messaging apps are also social media.
I don't have a solution for this. It's a mess of an issue and honestly, I don't know that I trust anybody with a strong, aggressive position one way or the other.
Its actually because telegram isnt encrypted, and the ceo didnt reply to takedown requests of cp and drug exchanges
I think 30+ people died directly in India due to fake message rumors on WhatsApp last year. The rumours were basically of child kidnapping rings doing the rounds and if someone new wandered in into a secluded community, they would be suspected and in rare cases, killed. Since India saw an exceptional implosion in smartphone usage in recent years and WhatsApp is the most popular messaging platform there, it's a travesty that it happened.
Don't blame the messenger.
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Seriously? Arresting messaging app CEO for content of people's chats? I guess pigs are pissed, that they can't crack the encryption.
Encryption on Telegram only works in 1 on 1 chats and is turned off by default so no one use it.
This is nonsense. All internet communication is encrpyted these days.
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When talking abou encryption for chat apps, it's uaually about E2E...
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We are usually talking about open groups on Telegram. I can join them. You can join them. Police can join them. Everyone can read everything afterwards.
Your connection to the Lemmy server you are using is also encrypted. But I can read your response anyway... So, no E2E...
Hahahaha, omg no it isn't, by a long shot.
You should really brush up on how the internet and computers work, this is a scarily bad way to think about your Internet traffic
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You don't need to crack down encryption for most of the platform. There are people in open groups who sometimes post illegal stuff.
If someone posts that they want to see person XY dead, it should not make a difference whether it's on Reddit, Lemmy or in an open Telegram group..
The least we can expect is some kind of moderation like on Reddit or here.
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But by default the comms aren't end-to-end encrypted. Isn't desiderable that criminals use telegram rather than signal?
Not being end-to-end encrypted is meaningless to law enforcement if Telegram refuses to turn over the chat contents (which they do). Law enforcement can't just eavesdrop on the conversation without Telegram's cooperation. The chat contents are still secured by TLS from the user's device to the Telegram servers.
Smart professional criminals rarely use Telegram for this stuff anyway. There's WhatsApp and plenty of other popular platforms of end-to-end encrypted
Smart criminal use Briar or Signal, not WhatsApp, lol, which totally has a backdoor for the government.
'Smart criminals use WhatsApp' Did u forget the /s flag?
It's perfect for criminal use! Unbreakable encryption between two parties! 100% safe, believe me.
IMHO not a coincidence that the app constantly prompts to save unencrypted backups to Google drive for "safety"
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Signal is looking more and more like a honeypot
Ah... And what is that accusation backed with?
The fact that Signal has not run into legal trouble when Telegram has.
Also Signal has some really shady practices, such as rejecting and killing all third party clients.
The algorithm for the end to end encryption is open source as far as I know. Should be easy for security researchers to prove that something is manipulated...
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Signal have been blocked in several countries including Russia and Telegram has more users there and it isn't blocked.
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On one hand, that's awful and Telegram should continue to exist totally unmoderated.
Oh the other, anybody rich enough to arrive in a private jet belongs in jail for being a total psychopath.
you know Telegram is secure when governments are trying to arrest the founder.
The French kidnapping of Pavel Durov is a huge violation of human rights.
That doesn't make it secure. (It isn't)
Alternatively: It is not (and generally not even encrypted) and he just happened to be in contempt.
Plenty of military-oriented and shady-business going in in there.
There's still the possibility that the authorities wanted to go after specific someones with a proper warrant and Durov blocked it. No country on earth goes for that.
We'll get to know the charges soon enough.
During my time as an amateur disinfo researcher I found that ALL the fascist groups are on Telegram. Also all the antivaxers, qanon nuts, maga, conspiracy theorists the lot. One big fash melting pot.
Telegram needs to be shut down, years ago.
And you think that's only on Telegram, there's also groups on WhatsApp, Facebook, Instagram... are they going to arrest Mark Zuckerberg?
If Telegram is shutdown today, those groups will move to other platforms, it could be also Lemmy.
Is not about ilegal activities, but privacy, you can have a private (E2EE) or one where governments watch all private messages.
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He was travelling from Azerbaijan, where he had been meeting with Putin. There is a theory that he knew he would be arrested and chose to go there to avoid retaliation and falling out of a window.
Putin leaving his bunker?
That would be a wild story.
"Putin killed by Telegram CEO, Russia in chaos"
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