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[–] [email protected] 82 points 7 months ago (7 children)

Please don’t give kids smartphones period. A smart watch is far less addictive and just as valuable to parents and kids (parents can track location, kids can still make phone calls and txt.) other suggestions are a dumb phone (think t9 txting), or just let them go phoneless.

[–] [email protected] 30 points 7 months ago (1 children)

I don't think going phoneless would be a great idea because emergencies happen and people need to communicate but society would probably be better if kids weren't glued to smartphone apps and social media from a young age. The smart watch or dumb phone idea makes sense to me though.

[–] [email protected] 12 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago)

The emergency argument can be managed by not giving kids a smart phone with internet aceess. Easy

[–] [email protected] 27 points 7 months ago (1 children)

Don't they require smart phones to work though? All the ones I have had are all just BT devices which require a phone to do anything beyond tell the time

[–] [email protected] 41 points 7 months ago (1 children)

There are several cellular capable watches.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 7 months ago (1 children)

My Samsung watch works without a phone on Google Fi network. Watches get a free line.

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[–] [email protected] 24 points 7 months ago (2 children)

Those watches with tracking built in are certainly popular in my area, but I absolutely refuse to use it. Kidnapping just isn't a thing (the majority of kidnappings is by a trusted family member/friend), and I don't think kids should get accustomed to someone constantly looking over their shoulder. I've gotten my kids "smart" watches (fun Minecraft watches with built-in games and whatnot), and there's no tracking or internet access whatsoever.

If kids need to call, they can ask a trusted adult to borrow a phone. If I trust my kid, they can borrow my spare. Kids don't need a phone of their own until they can at least get around on their own (e.g. driver's license or parental permission to leave the neighborhood on their own), and for me, that's like 14yo. I have a 10yo, and there's no way I'm giving them a phone now or in the next year. They're really responsible, but they don't need it at all.

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[–] [email protected] 12 points 7 months ago

Garmin makes watches specifically for kids and seem to have a decent privacy policy.

[–] [email protected] 12 points 7 months ago

Or just give them a dumb phone.

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[–] [email protected] 62 points 7 months ago (5 children)

Scrolling to find out what “EE” is… I can’t find anything. Can someone fill me in?

[–] [email protected] 68 points 7 months ago

EE (formerly Everything Everywhere) is a British mobile network operator, internet service provider and a brand of BT Consumer, a division of BT Group. Supposedly the #1 network in the UK similar to Verizon in the US.

[–] [email protected] 16 points 7 months ago

A telecom company with the hubris and arrogance to call themselves "Everything Everywhere".

[–] [email protected] 15 points 7 months ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 10 points 7 months ago

Erectile Encumbrance

[–] [email protected] 10 points 7 months ago

Electronics Enonymous.

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[–] [email protected] 53 points 7 months ago (2 children)

I will argue smartphones or any electronic is not the problem. The problem is lazy parents.

My kids all have had phones since before 10 and they're all well adjusted but to be clear I monitor their usage and I check in with my kids regularly.

I cannot hold back society or technology at the fear of my kids being left behind. What I can do is help them navigate both as they grow.

I love how quick we are to lay the blame anywhere but parents.

[–] [email protected] 20 points 7 months ago (2 children)

I strongly believe that a large part of the reason China is so strict with underage phone and game restrictions is because the parents are at work for too long to do any real parenting. Ideally parents should be the ones making those choices and actually monitoring their kids, but since I don't have kids I can't really say for myself.

[–] [email protected] 16 points 7 months ago

the parents are at work for too long to do any real parenting

This 100%.

[–] [email protected] 12 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago)

I'm always sus of anything the Chinese government does. I feel that governments restricting Internet usage is just a way to indoctrinate people with the media you (the state) shows them instead.

[–] [email protected] 48 points 7 months ago (4 children)

Get the kids a dumb phone instead. Calls and texts are more than enough in an emergency

[–] [email protected] 14 points 7 months ago (2 children)

When I went to price it out at the store, the line for a dumb phone was going to cost $30/mo more than a smart phone. It was dumb.

[–] [email protected] 20 points 7 months ago

So get them a smartphone plan and slap the SIM in their dumbphone?

[–] [email protected] 11 points 7 months ago

I'm in the US and can get a simple plan for $6/month for no data, 300 minutes, and unlimited texting. Unlimited minutes is $8. There's no contract, so this isn't some kind of family deal, this is just the regular price at Tello for a single line.

I personally have 1GB and 300 min for $7/month.

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[–] [email protected] 39 points 7 months ago (2 children)

My kids are around that age and it's a real struggle when all of their friends have one.

[–] [email protected] 32 points 7 months ago (3 children)

There is a growing tide of data suggesting the fight is worth it, but understand it is a serious struggle.

Much like trying to get kids to eat healthy when they are surrounded by so much awful food in the US.

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[–] [email protected] 10 points 7 months ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 15 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago) (3 children)

Yup. All my friends had cell phones and I was pretty much the only one who didn't. That kind of sucked, but my friends were cool and worked around it.

If their friends won't accommodate them, well, they've shown their true colors and perhaps they should find some better friends. Having a phone isn't going to fix crappy friends.

[–] [email protected] 12 points 7 months ago (5 children)

I think there were some social blunders and connections missed because I got a decent phone later than my peers.

I got my first basic phone (a phone which barely functioned and regularly crashed doing basic things) at 16 back in 2011(?) when many in my class had gotten a basic phone by 2008. By 2010, pretty much everyone had at least a basic phone, many had smart phones.

I wouldn't write this off as an irrelevant issue in a world where so much connection is done through phones (even if you personally don't believe you were all that affected). I do think my parents decision to delay giving their shy-ish child living in a rural area a good phone (solely because they didn't have one when they were kids) was a bad decision.

Actually being able to keep up with people between classes, discuss homework, to have gotten some pretty girls numbers earlier on, etc ... that could've really changed my high school and middle school (or at least jr high) experience for the better.

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[–] [email protected] 32 points 7 months ago (2 children)

Is it the phone, or the social media? The article only really mentions social media as the real issue.

Subsequently, does that mean social media on a computer is 100% A-OK? (this is a mobile phone carrier so it makes sense that they'd only focus on phones)

[–] [email protected] 9 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago) (6 children)

The article specifically mentions smartphones. Which smartphone can't access social media?

Computer is not necessarily "A-OK" but theyre far less likely to carry them around and be on them all day.

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[–] [email protected] 30 points 7 months ago

You definitely see a difference in children who are regularly given phones to keep them occupied. They're just so much more hyper active. I know a lot of teachers have been complaining about phone use in the classrooms. In Canada they just started rolling back against rules saying teachers can't confiscate phones.

[–] [email protected] 27 points 7 months ago (1 children)

In my opinion, social media is a bigger problem than smartphones in general. For me a smartphone is a just a tool that can be both incredibly useful but also very harmful.

With a bit of knowhow, you can neuter a smartphone so kids can't access social media, games, and other distracting mediums. No social media apps, no browser access, no YouTube, no games. But they can still access useful functions like calculators, the torch, phone calls and messages, etc. Android and iOS both have features allowing parents to do this.

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[–] [email protected] 24 points 7 months ago (11 children)

What age is a good age to give them one?

[–] [email protected] 26 points 7 months ago (4 children)

When they need one. And no, that's not when they say they need one, but when you decide they need one.

I'm planning on having a loaner phone when my kids are teenagers that they can share. It'll stay home unless they leave the house, and they'll be limited to how much time they can spend on it. If they earn my trust, maybe they'll get their own (again, subject to limitations). I don't see a reason why they'd need one before they can drive, but I'll play it by ear.

That said, I refuse to do any sort of tracking on their devices. If I trust them with a phone, I'll respect their privacy with it. If they violate my trust, they lose the phone. If they don't like it, they're free to get their own once they're 18, and not a day before.

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[–] [email protected] 15 points 7 months ago

No age. It's just especially damaging for young people.

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[–] [email protected] 19 points 7 months ago (12 children)

Don't give them a phone until they are prepared to see everything the Internet has. Kids can be smart and will find ways around the blocks you put in place.

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[–] [email protected] 18 points 7 months ago (1 children)

Just don't do it people. Me and so many parents have horror stories. Even without social media these phone numbers get out one way or another. For us it was much more trouble than it was worth.

[–] [email protected] 11 points 7 months ago (2 children)

I haven't had a problem.

iPhone with Screen time and communication limits means I can control how much time they spend in the device and in which apps and I control who they can contact.

Don't approve any apps that allow social features.

Talk to them about the realities of the internet and the wider world.

All of this has to happen at some point. If you just hand off a phone to an 11 year old or even a 14 year old workout doing any of the above, you're still going to have issues.

Much of what is being said about tech is the same as was said about tv and video games. The only studies you're going to hear about this are the ones that confirm the societal biases.

If you don't seek counter opinions of this topic you're playing into the same fear mongering every generation of parents has had about the new thing.

Dancing, rock and roll, tv, video games, and now phones. Every time, everyone thinks this time is different and every time it hasn't been.

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[–] [email protected] 17 points 7 months ago (5 children)

Yes, don't do it. It's a bad idea. Phones are addicting and one day when we all realize this, we will have laws to prevent it.

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[–] [email protected] 11 points 7 months ago

I think we all could benefit from less screen time 💻

[–] [email protected] 10 points 7 months ago (10 children)

Let's go one step further...

VRChat on the Quest is not a babysitter!

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[–] [email protected] 10 points 7 months ago (3 children)

Lucky them. I wish I didn’t need one. It’s a window to other people’s problems.

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