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I have a question(s) regarding the various types of game controllers.

I need a wireless controller which supports PC (Steam Linux mainly and maybe Windows someday). While searching online, I see various types

  1. xbox/ps5/switch controllers : These are for their respective consoles
  2. Mobile/PC controllers : These usually connect via wire/bluetooth/2.4 GHz

Source: https://www.gamesir.hk

However, I see in the product specifications page of the console controllers that they also support PC. And the PC controllers sometimes support some of the consoles. The only real difference between controllers, from a technology perspective, is that is some of them support bluetooth/2.4 GHz.

So I have two questions:

  1. If they are already cross-compatible, why even bother having different types?
  2. How should I decide which type of controller I should buy? It should support PC, console-support is not essential.

Note: I am a novice in game controllers but aware of different network stacks.

Edit: Thanks for the amazing response! These are my key takeaways from all the comments

  1. Hall-effect sensors are a must
  2. Default console controllers usually have stick drift
  3. If you need trackpad, take PS5
  4. 8bitdo is a reliable brand, as per multiple responses
  5. Most controllers have good support on Linux. But haptic feedback can be a hit/miss as it can be platform/game dependent
  6. There are various connectivity wireless standards. Dongles are the most reliable but you lose a USB port.
  7. Keep track of handsize/comfort and button layout
  8. PS controllers have excellent support on Linux/Steam
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[–] [email protected] 111 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (4 children)
  • Microsoft has their own controller protocol, xinput, it only works with xbox and PC

  • Sony and Nintendo both use BT HID, but add their own non-standard extras to deal with trackpads and gyros, on PC there are drivers to deal with this (inc. w/Linux kernel, extra on Windows)

  • For Wireless, Sony and Nintendo both use standard Bluetooth, you can pair a Switch or PS4/5 controller straight to a PC (though you will need extra software on Windows)

  • Microsoft uses either their somewhat proprietary 802.11AC implementation (only works with their dongles - you will need extra software on Linux, fully supported in Windows ootb) or standard Bluetooth, their BT has the highest latency of any of the 3 major controllers, but their 5ghz 802.11AC has the lowest. BT mode requires no extra drivers and will work fine ootb on Linux or Windows. You can't use a headset plugged into the controller or connected by BT (to the controller) if you're connecting the controller via BT.

  • MS has additional trigger rumbling/tension on the Xbox One/Series controllers, in Windows it will only work with MS Store apps - it won't work on any Steam game :( on Linux it will work, but nothing really supports it either.

  • Sony has a much better implementation in the PS5 controller, nothing outside Sony published games use it though - but it's compatible on Windows with additional drivers (DS4Win) (not sure about Linux here)

  • For Nintendo Switch on Windows you will need BetterJoy (previously, BetterJoyForCEMU) to support switch controllers properly, this also makes a DS4Win style gyro server, so anything that support ds4win will support Switch gyro too.

[–] [email protected] 34 points 8 months ago

This comment is how I always hope my info dumps go when someone asks me a technical question about something I have good experience in using. 10/10 comment, love it.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago)

Also, the button layout on switch controllers is different (A & B is swapped compared to XBox). This mostly matters on emulators, although you can remap the buttons, it can get confusing that they don’t match the games’ instructions on screen.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 8 months ago

Yeah this is a solved problem with a lot of third-party systems though like 8bitdo has, since they just allow you to swap modes. Granted, sometimes it's a bit wonky since for example the Switch won't support analogue triggers but eh, it works for everything and everywhere, so I'm happy to have a single pad that has everything anybody can utilize.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 8 months ago

If I could award this comment, I would have. Thank you, you answered a lot of my questions!

[–] [email protected] 48 points 8 months ago (6 children)

An 8bitdo Ultimate.

There, decision done, express lane service.

[–] [email protected] 17 points 8 months ago

I second this, great manufacturer. The 8BitDo Pro 2 is my personal preference. It looks like a Playstation and SNES controller did the fusion dance. I liked it so much I bought two: one for my PC and one for my Switch. It has a quality feel to it, excellent tactile response, and feels very comfortable in my hands.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 8 months ago (1 children)

I chose the Ultimate BT variant because you know, Bluetooth and the Hall Effect joystick.

I bought a pack of ABXY buttons with the Xbox color scheme and layout just to make it look like the non-BT variant.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 8 months ago

The Ultimate 2.4 has right now bluetooth and hall effect sensors as well. I couldn't get it to pair with the switch though I didn't try super hard. It works on Bluetooth with my Android TV but for whatever reason ignores the customized buttons (I keep accidentally pressing the wing buttons on the bottom) so I use the dongle on the TV.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago)

Bingo. Get the Pro also.

I use the 8bitdo Pro for platforming because of the d-pad makes it feel like a SNES controller. And the 8bitdo Ultimate for games where I need joysticks.

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[–] [email protected] 21 points 8 months ago (1 children)

xbox series controller is my fave controller and works flawless with linux

[–] [email protected] 4 points 8 months ago

I use an Xbox controller with Linux. Only issue I ran into was a firmware update for the controller before it would work with Linux. I had to do the firmware upgrade through a Windows VM.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 8 months ago (1 children)

If you want wireless, one thing to be concerned about is the latency of the gamepad. https://gamepadla.com tests many controllers for their latency.

Personally, I've just gone with xbox with their PC dongle. I only like controllers with the sticks in the xbox/nintendo configuration and the latency is great with their dongle. I also like that it uses standard batteries so I just keep some rechargables at hand for when it runs out. On the downsides, there is no low battery indication on the controller, so occasionally it just dies in the middle of use.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 8 months ago (1 children)

I also use and recommend Xbox controllers. Although I wish I knew about these cool high end brands before I bought. I grew up in a time where all third party controllers were trash, and I carried that opinion for too long.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 8 months ago (3 children)

Unfortunately even the "cool high-end brands" don't seem to beat the Xbox controller.

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[–] [email protected] 8 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago)

If you can get a controller with Hall effect sensor that would be top. Else just get an Xbox series controller and call it a day. If you're generally ruff with your joystick, you might look into cheaper controller, as all with no hall joysticks might start to drift earlier.

I'm very happy with my xbox series controller but others have less luck. But my mainboard has Bluetooth, so I can easily connect the controller. Some say you need the adapter, but I don't, probably because it uses the newest Bluetooth version protocols.

The best controller was my original Xbox cable controller. It lasted me 15 years or more.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 8 months ago (1 children)

Easy? Xbox Series. Fancy? DualSense. Comfy? Switch Pro. Beeg? Duke.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 8 months ago

Hotel? Trivago.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 8 months ago (4 children)

I would just go for a PS5 controller. You get type c charging, great haptics and good compatibility (either via Steam or ds4windows). Only issue is the stick drift

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[–] [email protected] 6 points 8 months ago (5 children)

Gonna be quite honest:

The Nintendo Switc Pro Controller is probably the highest quality Controler I've ever had in my hands.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 8 months ago

This is probably true for most casual use, but after a couple months of constant weekly Smash tournaments, my stick eventually wore down and started drifting. The D-pad is also notoriously mushy and often picks up ghost inputs when moving quickly back and forth.

Both of these issues are fixable with some not so difficult controller modding, but I wasn't willing to make the effort.

I ended up with the 8bitdo Pro 2 for general use like someone else in this thread suggested and the Nintendo Wii U Pro Controller with an adapter for Smash that has been with me for years now. The only difference is that the Wii U controller doesn't have the built in accelerometers that the Switch controller and Pro 2 have.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 8 months ago

Yeah. I love my 8bitdo Ultimate for PC use (and it just so happens to be extremely close to the Switch Pro in layout and sizing) but the actual thing is still works better in raw quality. Except no hall effect joysticks but eh, could always mod it yourself if you're so inclined.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 8 months ago

Support that. MS Xbox controller falls far behind it, and the third party devices are a lot of miss and no hit.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 8 months ago

I don't share the positive feedback. The directional pad was especially terrible from the get go.

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[–] [email protected] 6 points 8 months ago

I recommend going to a pawn shop. They likely have a variety of late model controllers. You can then hold them and see which speaks to you. I bought a ps5 controller from a pawn shop for like $50 over a year ago and I've loved it. I use it over Bluetooth with steam and I get rumble and all that.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 8 months ago (1 children)

I refuse to buy anything without hall effect sticks. So that's limiting enough.

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[–] [email protected] 6 points 8 months ago

Like others said, driver support for console controllers is pretty good through the board.

My suggestion: try them out, maybe in a local store on their demo stations (pretty regular around here at least) or by ordering and returning the one you don’t like.

I personally like the controller layout of the XBox controller more than the PlayStation one. But it comes down to preference. So definitely test drive to find the best suit for you.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 8 months ago

Is you need one with a track pad get a dualsense, otherwise 8bitdo all the way. Best third party controllers I've ever used.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (1 children)

I love the ps5 controller but I’m now kind of scared about stick drift as one of mine had to be replaced because of it.

The second one doesn’t show any sign of this happening, but I’m not so confident anymore although Sony had never disappointed me before regarding reliability.

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[–] [email protected] 5 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (1 children)

I was debating buying an official Xbox controller with back buttons/paddles, but the price of the pro controller + quality issues were a turn off.

Ended up picking up a Flydigi Vader 3 pro and I’ve loved it, especially since I got it on sale up for <$50.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 8 months ago

I recommend this one too. Has hall effect joysticks as well as tons of buttons. If you get ReWASD then you can do some crazy mapping.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (3 children)

Didn't a Japanese company make a controller with native steam input? Is that controller any good? The thing with 8bitdo and the like is you can't map back paddles to unique inputs via steam and they only can duplicate face buttons by programming the controller iirc.

I have a gulikit kk3, but I don't love the dongle and don't love the lack of native steam controller configuration for back paddles. Other than that, the hardware has been good for me.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 8 months ago (5 children)

8BitDo Pro 2 is one of the best controllers I've tried.

  • PlayStation Analog Stick Placement
  • New version has hall effect sticks.
  • Compatible with everything.
  • They offer replacement parts.
  • Decent battery life.
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[–] [email protected] 3 points 8 months ago (1 children)

I’m personally looking for a Hall effect joystick, ps5 style layout, wireless capable, plays nice with Linux game controller. Seems like I’ve seen flydigi as a potential option, and maybe some 8bitdo ones. Maybe scuf?

One major issue I’ve had is my ps4 controller doesn’t have multipoint, meaning it will only Bluetooth pair to a single device at a time. Wanna use it on your phone? Gotta pair it. Wanna use it again on your pc — yep, gotta pair it again. Reaaaaallly annoying.

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[–] [email protected] 3 points 8 months ago

Ps5 controller is Bluetooth, works for me without any special drivers. Has native support in some games for the haptic triggers and touch pad. It’s a fantastic general purpose unit. The Nintendo switch classic NES controllers are awesome for retro emulation too- also Bluetooth. They make NES/SNES/N64 variants- but really the ps5 will handle all those use cases and feel just fine for any modern gaming.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 8 months ago (2 children)

Unrelated to the actual question but related to the title: Check if the controller fits your hand size. For example, I don't like the Xbox controller and much prefer the ps4 ones since they fit in my small hands better.

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[–] [email protected] 3 points 8 months ago

Never buy a PS4/5 or switch controller they are all overpriced garbage they intentionally make for ewaste landfills in 2-4 years.

I really like my gulikit king Kong 2 and they made a elite controller style one with the 3rd version so I'd recommend that. They're hall effect joysticks which feel real nice and are easy to repair and customize.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 8 months ago

My current focus:

  • hall effect sensor to avoid stick drift
  • i prefer the xbox layout for sticks
  • abxy button layout, because not all pc games support ps buttons
  • cabel, cuz lighter and no sudden loss of input
[–] [email protected] 3 points 8 months ago (1 children)

Have some experience with Xbox controllers and steam controller

First official Xbox One X controller is absolute shit via bluetooth. Proprietary dongle works well, as long as its on windows - getting it to work under linux is a pain.

As far as compatibility goes Xbox 360 Dualshock with 2,4ghz wireless dongle is the best - dongle identifies as wired controller, it works correctly with everything.

Steam controller works with everything except ergonomics is IMO garbage. Dualshock rules in this area

And don't even think about connecting anything via bluetooth to android - bluetooth drivers are broken since android 10, causing massive input lag. Use either wired, or Xbox 360 2,4ghz wireless dongle controller

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[–] [email protected] 2 points 8 months ago

I bought some cheap PS and Xbox controller clones on eBay and they all work amazingly well OOTB on Linux

[–] [email protected] 2 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago)

For Linux, I recommend the DualShock 4 (PS4) and DualSense (PS5) controllers. They have native support built into the kernel, so you don't need to install drivers. They're great in Steam, emulators, Wine, and most native linux games. They work in both USB and bluetooth mode. Motion controls work. Touchpad works. Rubmle works. Dead zones are nice and small.

The only features I'm not sure about are the DualSense haptics and adaptive trigger feedback. There was work happening on those when I last looked a couple years ago; I haven't checked recently.

A few people have reported lag with certain bluetooth adapters. I haven't seen it with any of the hardware I've used, but if you encounter it, you can always get a different bluetooth adapter or exchange the controller for some other model.

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