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Ukrainian drones now spray 4,000° F thermite streams right into Russian trenches (arstechnica.com)

submitted 10 months ago by [email protected] to c/[email protected]

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[–] [email protected] 72 points 10 months ago (2 children)

The self fellatiating "superior" pacifists in here bragging that they would never think of doing something so horrible as to defend themselves violently from a group actively trying to murder you or your fellow citizens and kidnap your children are a special sort of disconnexted from reality.

Abusers will continue to push what they can get away with and you are the types that would tell women to stay with their husbands that beat them and children to accept being raped because to fight back might make a mess of your peaceful idea of reality.

Also this isn't boring you nonce.

[–] [email protected] 12 points 9 months ago

Lmao the environmentalist take was my favorite. Some people are unbelievably sheltered.

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[–] [email protected] 62 points 10 months ago (6 children)

I hate Putin and any Russian war sympathizer as much as the next guy, but...

My grandfather got a white phosphorus burn during WW2. He told me it was the most terrible pain he ever felt in his entire life, you can't extinguish it, and he wouldn't wish it on his worst enemy. I heard the same kind of stories from people who got napalm burns in Vietnam.

I'm pretty sure thermite munitions are in the same category of basically inhumane weapons regardless of the circumstances, right up there with NBCs, mines, napalm and white phosphorus, and I can't say I fully side with the Ukrainians on this one. I mean I understand why they do it, but I also remember my grandfather's leg and the horror of what he told me.

[–] [email protected] 67 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (11 children)

Russia is welcome to withdraw from its genocidal, imperialist, unilateral invasion at any time.

[–] [email protected] 40 points 10 months ago (3 children)

"it's not a war crime if we're defending ourselves"

[–] [email protected] 37 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (7 children)

Do you put "sitting in the comfort of the first world trying to be the moral arbiter of a people desperately defending themselves from a fascist war of extermination" as one of your hobbies on your dating profile?

Edit: This reply was so ridiculous that I actually completely forgot to mention that this isn't a war crime under international law.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 10 months ago (3 children)

I mean, our money is funding this war instead of our own health care, so yeah, I think our people have every right to criticize if they want to.

And besides, it wasn't that long ago that people were saying these same things about Iraq and Afghanistan, and we later learned our money was grossly misused and corruption rampant.

Stories have already circulated about corruption in the Zelensky government.

[–] [email protected] 19 points 10 months ago (4 children)

Wow, stories have circulated you say? /s

Unlike Iraq and Afghanistan, which were immoral American misadventures, this is a Russian misadventure, and supporting the Ukrainians is pushing back against aggression.

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[–] [email protected] 8 points 9 months ago

I mean, our money is funding this war instead of our own health care,

USian, I presume. You already spend as many federal tax payer dollars, per capita, on healthcare as the UK pays for the NHS, per capita. You're just not getting the results because you rather bail out hospitals providing ER treatment for people who can't pay than letting those same people visit the doctor once a year for free so that their condition doesn't become an emergency. Granted, the NHS is underfunded, but if you'd take say 5% of what Americans pay for health insurance and add it to the sum you have quite a bit to work with.

Don't try to justify your lack of moral fibre when it comes to standing up to fascists with your dysfunctional politics, that's not the flex you think it is.

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[–] [email protected] 15 points 9 months ago (4 children)

It's not even a war crime. It's only a war crime specifically if it's used where civilians are.

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[–] [email protected] 8 points 10 months ago

Honestly the Ukrainian brutality has been pretty constrained over time compared to the civil war. Russia started full 1865.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 10 months ago (2 children)

"They started it!" is not a valid reason to commit a war crime.

[–] [email protected] 20 points 10 months ago

That's a ridiculous strawman.
Good thing this isn't a war crime.

[–] [email protected] 13 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Not alone, it isn’t, but there’s much more to take into account. Russia’s invasion was illegal to begin with, and they have committed numerous war crimes along the way. Most importantly (to me), Ukraine isn’t using this to attack, but as defense on their own soil.

These factors, along with others, make it a morally complex issue. Honestly, I don’t know where I stand.

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[–] [email protected] 17 points 10 months ago

After seeing countless attacks on Ukrainian civilians, I really don't care what happens to the invading forces anymore. Remove them from Ukrainian territory however you want, I really don't care.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 10 months ago (1 children)

It does sound borderline war crime, but then again the US buried thousands of Iraqi soldiers alive in the first gulf war, but our lawyers also did the mental gymnastics to justify it not being one beforehand so presumably they have some justification so its just barely legal. https://www.latimes.com/archives/la-xpm-1991-09-12-mn-2959-story.html

That being said, its not like Russia is being super careful about its rules of engagement.

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[–] [email protected] 32 points 10 months ago (1 children)

The sad thing is that Putin doesn’t care about war crimes. He will sacrifice as many soldiers or civilians as necessary to get his way.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 10 months ago (2 children)

The sad thing is that, years after this war is over, we'll probably learn our money and weapons were misused, just as we did with Iraq and Afghanistan.

People will remind you of that, and it won't matter. You'll still support whatever war we're involved in, and all because the news network you watch insists that you should.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Unfortunately, that’s true of virtually everyone throughout the world. We’re all immersed in propaganda of one kind or another.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 10 months ago (2 children)

That's true, but this same process has repeated itself often enough over the last 40 years that we can point to a few consistent historical patterns, I think.

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[–] [email protected] 6 points 9 months ago (2 children)

You forgot to add "Wake up sheeple!!!"

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[–] [email protected] 24 points 10 months ago (4 children)

What if the Russians didn't start a war?

[–] [email protected] 10 points 10 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (1 children)

What if Ukraine didn't start the fire?

Edit: guys it's a reference to the song, I'm not trying to start a conspiracy.

[–] [email protected] 15 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Impossible. Are you meaning to suggest that it was always burning since the world's been turning?

[–] [email protected] 10 points 10 months ago

Perhaps. Some would say they didn't light it, but they tried to fight it.

(Thank you for getting the reference instead of just downvoting)

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[–] [email protected] 22 points 10 months ago (1 children)

That's awful! Please keep doing that.

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[–] [email protected] 16 points 10 months ago (13 children)

Could anyone tell me why the fuck this isn't a war crime?

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[–] [email protected] 8 points 10 months ago (2 children)

I'm glad fire is easy to control and produces no byproducts that accelerate the climate apocalypse.

[–] [email protected] 30 points 10 months ago

"Can you be a bit more environmentally conscious while you fend off the extermination of your culture, country, family, friends, and people? Thaaaaanks."

[–] [email protected] 13 points 9 months ago

Sadly, Ukraine has to think about their survival for the next year, not the next decades.

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