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Block anyone or any instance you find regularly being outright misogynistic and slowly, but surely, create a better place for yourself.

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How many in that statistic are men being killed by women? How many of those murders are the result of gang violence that’s predominantly committed against men by other men?

I assume you’re referring to this stat:

In 2022, the FBI reported that 14,441 men and 4,251 women were murdered in the United States.

… which equates to about 79% of all murders.

There’s a lot of nuance in that broad, sweeping statistic, but here are some statistics that are more clear:

In the same year, there were 15,094 male murder offenders and 2,107 female murder offenders.

… so the problem isn’t that more men are being murdered in general, but that an overwhelmingly larger number of men are murderers, and they target each other quite a bit. Gang violence stats are wrapped up in that 79%, and most gang violence is male-on-male.

Here’s another:

Among homicides in the United States, intimate partners kill almost 50% of female and 10% of male victims.

Many of these stats are situational, making that overly-broad figure misleading.

Also, the likelihood of being murdered increases quite a bit when a woman is pregnant:

In 2020, the homicide rate for pregnant or postpartum women was 5.23 per 100,000 live births, which is 35% higher than the rate for non-pregnant and non-postpartum women.

And that doesn’t include all the violent sexual crimes against women and girls, that are also committed at a far higher rate than against men and boys.

The overarching fact seems to be that men kill men a lot, and they also kill women an order of magnitude more often than women kill men, so maybe the problem here is men’s propensity for violence.

e: If that’s what you meant, I agree, we should be finding and implementing ways to reduce male toxicity in general, which includes many things like supporting mental health care and opposing norms (mostly within the online ‘manosphere’) that promote and foster toxic rather than healthy masculinity.

You are over three times less likely to be a victim of murder (in the US at least) if you are a woman, than a man.

There is a big difference in intent. Do these 3x times men been murder just for been a man?

The femicide(at least in a decent country) is a category of crime, a discriminatory crime, is not a normal murder, is associated with rape or domestic violence, etc.

Nicely put.

Basically 100% of parents who have killed their newborns by throwing them in dumpsters are women.

Is this article about a newborn being killed? Or is it about a woman being killed by her partner? If it's the latter, how often are women killed by their men compared to men being killed by women? If it's the latter, why are you bringing up points relevant to the former? Please, please, please answer these questions. You're engaging in the very logical fallacy you're citing.

If this were a discussion about a black man being killed by a white police officer, would it make any sense to bring up stats about black men killing white police officers? Because that's pretty much what you're doing right now in an attempt to deflect from the main issue. I often see white supremacists in conservative spaces doing this, i.e. mentioning George Floyd's criminal record or irrelevant stats about crime by black men to deflect from Derek Chauvin murdering him, and I think what you're saying is fundamentally no different-- just with women/sexism instead of black men/racism.

Edit: Nevermind, just blocked ya. You're the same clown that said this about women who fear being killed in the USA:

A completely irrational fear in the US at least, given that in a country of 340,000,000, less than 5,000 women are murdered a year. And that’s even if you pretended every single murder was by a rejected man.

Stop letting ideological propaganda make you paranoid.

Fuck off, you hate women and you're trying desperately to gaslight them.

What does this even mean? What fraction of men do you presume are abusers for one, and for two, are you assuming every man knows every other man and we just bulk regulate?

This is some "all black people know each other" kind of stupid.

The vast majority of the time a woman is murdered, it's at the hands of a man. Yes.

"Although women comprise more than half the U.S. population, they committed only 14.7% of the homicides noted during the study interval. More than twice as many women were shot and killed by their husband or intimate acquaintance than were murdered by strangers using guns, knives, or any other means."

I'm going to bed but there's countless other studies that show the same trend not just in the USA but in countries across the world. This paper was published in '92 and for those who doubt its legitimacy based on its age, I recommend looking up modern papers on this.

Edit: One last thing before I go to sleep. I'm not making these comments because I want to make men feel bad, or that I think the average guy on Lemmy reading this is a murderer or potential murdered. I'm saying this because as men, we need to cut the bullshit and stop acting like we don't hear other men casually talk about domestic violence, either "jokingly" or dead serious, or that we don't see other men engaging in verbal or physical abuse against women. As a POC, I feel pretty much the same way about racism-- I don't think the average white person is some KKK member but please for the love of god white folks, if you hear someone (especially your friends/family) saying/doing some racist shit, call it out!

Lotta downvotes but no responses to the study I provided. Not at all surprised. Until men are willing to simply acknowledge the existence of this problem, we've got a long way to go. Leftists on Lemmy definitely showing their true colors and it's not surprising, so many leftist spaces get ruined by sexist men who want a safe space where they can discuss racism, transphobia, homophobia but sexism... Nope.